Brexit thread - what happens next

Mynight · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:18

Must admit I'm struggling to find the information on google so thought it will be easier to ask you lot.

Does the EU prevent us from trade agreements with countries outside the already setup EU trading partners?

Arthur Hucksake · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:25

Mynight said:
Must admit I'm struggling to find the information on google so thought it will be easier to ask you lot.

Does the EU prevent us from trade agreements with countries outside the already setup EU trading partners?

The lower tariff trading goes via the EU. Can't go direct.
Can trade anywhere really, we just can't have individual trade deals. EU said no.

Mynight · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:26

Arthur Hucksake said:
Yes. Because it all comes in via the EU.

Ahh right ok. Thanks

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Arthur Hucksake · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:28

Mynight said:
Ahh right ok. Thanks .

Edited my response. Can trade but it costs.

Zethor · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:31

Good old Boris:

"British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI - the BDI - has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.

"The only change - and it will not come in any great rush - is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU's extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal."

In short, free movement will continue, the only change will be losing the vote Britain has in the union. Amazing deal! :cool:

Mynight · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:31

Arthur Hucksake said:
Edited my response. Can trade but it costs.

Wonder if the cost is prohibitive then. If not I wonder why we werent already pursuing them :confused:

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Dont suppose you know the legislation that covers it? My googlefu is weak today.

Trusty · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:36

Zethor said:
Good old Boris:

"British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI - the BDI - has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.

"The only change - and it will not come in any great rush - is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU's extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal."

In short, free movement will continue, the only change will be losing the vote Britain has in the union. Amazing deal!

Lol, you forgetting about the trade deals we can do independently with the rest of the world?

Arthur Hucksake · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:39

Mynight said:
Wonder if the cost is prohibitive then. If not I wonder why we werent already pursuing them .

Dont suppose you know the legislation that covers it? My googlefu is weak today.

We can trade outside the EU, but the trade deals in via the EU.

https://www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/content/trading-countries-outside-eu

Craterloads · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:40

Why would we want to make trade deals independently when we had much greater leverage in negations as part of the EU.

I'm not all too clued up on all this but as I understand it being a part of the EU would be similar to how consumers group buy on sites like Massdrop and group on. Collectively have more power to get better deals and for everyone.

Can someone explain to me why it would now be better to do trade deals without the clout of the EU?

Arthur Hucksake · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:43

Craterloads said:
Why would we want to make trade deals independently when we had much greater leverage in negations as part of the EU.

I'm not all too clued up on all this but as I understand it being a part of the EU would be similar to how consumers group buy on sites like Massdrop and group on. Collectively have more power to get better deals and for everyone.

Can someone explain to me why it would now be better to do trade deals without the clout of the EU?

It's not better. But there are currently markets where we can't have trade deals full stop.

India for instance.

If we stay in the EEA, we can have the best of both worlds.

Trusty · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:47

Craterloads said:
Why would we want to make trade deals independently when we had much greater leverage in negations as part of the EU.

Greater leverage, what leverage would that be, an EU trying to get the best deal for 28 different countries. The UK weren't even involved when it comes to that sort of stuff, we literally don't have a say in any of it.

Craterloads · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:49

Arthur Hucksake said:
It's not better. But there are currently markets where we can't have trade deals full stop.

India for instance.

If we stay in the EEA, we can have the best of both worlds.

Can we though, why would we get the benefits of being in the eu without being in the eu. My crude example again, mass drop ain't gonna give you discounts without being a member of their club. Makes no sense, would have to buy at regular ass prices as everybody else.

Craterloads · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:50

Trusty said:
Greater leverage, what leverage would that be, an EU trying to get the best deal for 28 different countries. The UK weren't even involved when it comes to that sort of stuff, we literally don't have a say in any of it.

The huge single euro market?

Trusty · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:53

Craterloads said:
The huge single euro market?

The huge market which we never had a say in? The UK never had any input into that stuff, we're told do one yet we're the 5th biggest economy in the world. I say, let's trade with Europe and go out and trade with the rest of the world as well.

Craterloads · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:56

Trusty said:
The huge market which we never had a say in? The UK never had any input into that stuff, we're told do one yet we're the 5th biggest economy in the world. I say, let's trade with Europe and go out and trade with the rest of the world as well.

Fair enough but is seems logical that the rest of the EU who had a say in it, the likes of Germany etc are not incompetent when it comes to trade deals. And what ever deals that they were happy to make as a block were good for everyone within the block.

Are there any deals the eu made with other countries that were bad for the uk?

Trusty · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:57

Craterloads said:
Fair enough but is seems logical that the rest of the EU who had a say in it, the likes of Germany etc are not incompetent when it comes to trade deals. And what ever deals that they were happy to make as a block were good for everyone within the block.

Are there any deals the eu made with other countries that were bad for the uk?

The EU is failing mate, it's the worst performing continent bar Antarctica, that should tell you everything. It's like the Titanic, we've just jumped ship. Go ask an 18 to 30 year old in Greece, Spain, Portugal or Italy what they think of the EU, you'll get a very different answer to the one from a northern country.

Glaucus · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:58

Trusty said:
The huge market which we never had a say in? The UK never had any input into that stuff, we're told do one yet we're the 5th biggest economy in the world. I say, let's trade with Europe and go out and trade with the rest of the world as well.

again massively demonstrably wrong, we had huge say in the eu. but keep peddling utter lies, like the people you followed.

Craterloads · 27 Jun 2016 at 06:59

Guess we will have to see what deals the uk alone strike with other nations and how they compare with deals made by the collective power of the eu.

Trusty · 27 Jun 2016 at 07:00

Glaucus said:
again massively demonstrably wrong, we had huge say in the eu. but keep peddling utter lies, like the people you followed.

Can't argue the facts about how the EU is failing, can you?

Glaucus · 27 Jun 2016 at 07:05

Trusty said:
Can't argue the facts about how the EU is failing, can you?

nice change of topic and yes its pretty easy to completely rubbish your stance.

only better than Antarctica, really,
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=66

we were doing better than Norway with the deal we are likely to end up with.

quite litteraly everything you said in here, is not only utterly wrong, its easy to show.