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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

So have the NDA's expired? why haven't reviewers been sent samples? Anandtech basically just have an AMD press release posted about it.
 
Nichrome said:
No way? lol see below ;) :p
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It's worth pairing Ryzen/Kabylake with at least 3000Mhz+ DDR4 - not sure why people bought the ultra slower stuff, DDR3 is actually faster than that.
 
Slightly off topic. Has anyone saw the kit am4 kit for the corsair h100i v2?
I seem to remember someone posting that it was available but I cannot find it.
 
mmj_uk said:
So have the NDA's expired? why haven't reviewers been sent samples? Anandtech basically just have an AMD press release posted about it.
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At the end of Anandtechs very article you mention it says - and I quote;

"We’ll tell you what our benchmarks say, with official retail processors. But you will have to wait until March 2nd. Sorry."
 
mmj_uk said:
So have the NDA's expired? why haven't reviewers been sent samples? Anandtech basically just have an AMD press release posted about it.
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I asked the same question earlier in the 'ZEN CPUS NOW AVAILABLE' thread, which has been ignored. Very odd, who on earth Pre-orders a product without seeing a review first? a £30 game is one thing, but a sub £1000 rig is another kettle of fish.
 
smogsy said:
as i said before, they keep putting this against the 6800/6900K in benchmarks (7700K) to i agree. but the 6800/6900K both have many more Lanes avaliable

you compare 8 cores vs 8 6 vs 6
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We know this isn't meant to be an enthusiast platform like X99, there's no quad channel, no huge number of PCIe lanes, etc. AMD are comparing their CPUs to Intels' - it's not AMD's fault that Intel's only 6 and 8 core CPUs are on the X99 platform.
 
ljt said:
At the end of Anandtechs very article you mention it says - and I quote;

"We’ll tell you what our benchmarks say, with official retail processors. But you will have to wait until March 2nd. Sorry."
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But that begs the question why are AMD are trying to tie down sales before allowing reviewers to review?
 
KrisWragg said:
TBH I can't quite take the plunge and pre-order right now, really want to see reviews and see how much difference RAM makes, is it worth going for 3200 over 2666? Ideally I'd want 32GB to give me plenty of headroom for video editing, but 32GB kits of 3200+ are very pricey!
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If you look around, there's a 2x16GB Corsair 3200 MHz kit going for less than £190. Reputable store, no shady user 'reseller' stuff either.
 
mmj_uk said:
But that begs the question why are AMD are trying to tie down sales before allowing reviewers to review?
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I have no idea, it doesn't bother me as I never pre order anything. I recall in the press video released today (the one where all the tech sites etc were invited to) Lisa mentioned they were trying something different with allowing pre-orders for the first time ever or something along those lines
 
smogsy said:
XFR is if you have a very well cooled chip it allows it self to clock further thing GPU boost 3.0

The only issue i see with Ryzen is PCi-E lanes

Scenerio #1 - the high end gamer
Xfire/SLI
GPU #1 = 16
GPU #2 = 8

BAD No Lanes left for 10G Ethernet/NVME or Other capture cards

Scenerio #2 - The average Gamer
Gpu #1 = 16
NVME = 4

Good 4 lanes left

Scenario #3 video creators
Gpu #1 = 16
NVME = 4

Bad not enough for A Capture card

Scenerio #4 researcher

GPU #1 = 16 (CUDA)
8 left for another pcie devices you require.


So little lanes, could be a big issue unless they have Chipsets giving more, (reducing perf) its the only thing putting me off. heck you cant even do Xfire x16 x2 (not a huge difference, but to not have it?)

Most likely in most cases enough... but i have doubts..
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The difference between 3.0 16x and 8x re gfx cards is what, 1% in a worst case scenario? Hardly worth crying about.
 
mmj_uk said:
But that begs the question why are AMD are trying to tie down sales before allowing reviewers to review?
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It doesn't, I've said before, 10 years ago this would be a normal nda event, reviewers told details, given chips to test, reviews come a couple weeks later. Today we have twitter and people who can't keep their mouths shut as well as entitled enthusiasts who criticise AMD for not just stating information. So they made this tech thing public rather than private and let enthusiasts order early because why not, they want to those who don't want to... I know this will be hard to comprehend for you but, those who don't want to preorder... don't have to?

Considering AMD let a bunch of very highly specced Intel systems be tested against Zen on camera by probably a hundred + journalists/reviewers and many of them have shown various comparisons as well as AMD showing live benchmarking on stage, what do you think they are hiding?

So no, it doesn't beg a question of why they are trying to tie down sales, probably 50-100k people will pre-order, no one else will, Zen needs to sell in the region of 10's of millions to be successful, you think a tiny number of sales in the next week will make or break AMD... really? Or as you have been for years, are you just being anti-amd everywhere you can, like athlonxp1800?
 
ljt said:
At the end of Anandtechs very article you mention it says - and I quote;

"We’ll tell you what our benchmarks say, with official retail processors. But you will have to wait until March 2nd. Sorry."
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I was told last week this is what is happening to a lot of the big sites. Internal politics.
 
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