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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

drunkenmaster said:
What do people actually think a 'full' review will show up? It will put a lot of the already available information together in one article and it will of course do more benchmarking, but is it likely that it wins Cinebench, handbrake, doesn't struggle with gaming frame rates and handles multitasking really well.... but really sucks in everything else, it doesn't work like that.
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How it actually performs in more than 1 or 2 games and how it overclocks.

Majority of people don't care about handbrake or rendering.
 
Jokester said:
Definitely waiting for reviews to see if there is any sort of binning of the different chips.
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+1
I will buy next week as always planned, if they can overclock under water. If not I will pass and going to delid the 6700K while building the custom loop.
Maybe when Zen+ comes out or later this year when Vega is out.
 
drunkenmaster said:
THat may be true, but mmj has an explanation and post to make about every single thing AMD that paints them in a negative light. The fact is AMD have said plenty about the CPU, dozens of reviewer/website people have stated it's the real deal. Really the only thing that carries a big risk with pre-ordering is games, both because returning them is harder and the games industry is notoriously misleading with it's prelaunch information.

Ultimately a review tells you information about the architecture, we have that, information about the chipset, we have that, information about the boards, we have that, information about the clock speeds, we have that, and benchmarks... of which we have many.

Which CPUs beat their rival with the same number of cores in 5-6 major benchmarks which don't stand out as being insane corner case scenarios, but suck in everything else?

So an 8 core Zen beats an 8 core 6900k, both at default clocks, it beats it in handbrake, the 1700 beats the 7700k in terms of the experience provided in the Dota 2 game + stream(7700k dropped loads of frames on the stream, 1700 didn't), it beat the 6800k in multitasking by a mile and isn't far off the 6900k itself and offered good frame rates.

What do people actually think a 'full' review will show up? It will put a lot of the already available information together in one article and it will of course do more benchmarking, but is it likely that it wins Cinebench, handbrake, doesn't struggle with gaming frame rates and handles multitasking really well.... but really sucks in everything else, it doesn't work like that.
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C'mon, you can't accuse him of being Anti-AMD when you don't seem to accept anything negative said against AMD!

What about overclocking, AIO or air cooled not LN? What about games that are single threaded? The reviews would provide this info.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Considering AMD let a bunch of very highly specced Intel systems be tested against Zen on camera by probably a hundred + journalists/reviewers and many of them have shown various comparisons as well as AMD showing live benchmarking on stage, what do you think they are hiding?
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Pretty much everything has been conducted in a controlled environment so far though, stock versus stock comparisons with mystery surrounding clock speeds (I'm still not sure who really has the fastest core clock for clock), mystery surrounding overclocking which will likely be the most important factor once Intel have dropped prices.
 
Klo said:
How it actually performs in more than 1 or 2 games and how it overclocks.

Majority of people don't care about handbrake or rendering.
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yes but you understand that if it matches of beats Haswell-e in handbrake and cinebench... that is effectively an indication of IPC. It showed higher fps in games in comparisons and it showed higher FPS in heavy load... you can't see how one tells you the other?

THe FX8350 matches Intel chips in some games with no heavy threads but excellent threading.... but losses massively in others. It doesn't come close to an 8 core Broadwell-e under heavy load though. Gaming won't tell you how fast a CPU is, just how fast it can be in that game. However a bunch of very heavy load benchmarks can tell you how fast a CPU is, and knowing how fast a CPU is tells you how well it will perform in games as a byproduct. It has great IPC so will perform very well in games.

I don't do any rendering, but I can translate that result, and the others, to get a fantastic idea of performance in the things I use a CPU for most.
 
@Gibbo Do you fancy sending me a parcel just like this labelled with OCUK branding, filled with the same stuff and replace the wooden box with Haribos, free of charge, from your loving heart..... ;)

 
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mmj_uk said:
Pretty much everything has been conducted in a controlled environment so far though, stock versus stock comparisons with mystery surrounding clock speeds (I'm still not sure who really has the fastest core clock for clock), mystery surrounding overclocking which will likely be the most important factor once Intel have dropped prices.
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You realise 99.9999999% of all computer users and gamers don't overclock right? For most people outright clock for clock performance doesn't matter, they can get higher performance at $500 from a 1800X than from a 6900k at $1000, that is what most people care about, the clock speed is fairly irrelevant, though how you can say the clock speeds are mysterious when they are directly reported... I honestly don't know. A 6900k doesn't advertise an all core boost, because it's impossible to advertise as it changes from one application and load to the next.

Also unless you're benchmarking in a war zone... most benchmarking is done in a controlled environment. Controlled and untrustworthy usually means, reviews can't touch it, can't check the settings and don't know the hardware. AMD had the Intel computers on view, you could see the hardware, Linus(and others) all checked task manager/system info to compare and confirm and AMD went out of their way to use ROG boards and high quality memory in the Intel systems... which they didn't have to do.
 
All I'm saying is potential buyers should wait for reviews and Intel price drops before committing to buying, it's weird that pre-orders are available with no reviews. If I'm wrong people can still buy Ryzen and they've lost nothing, if I'm right it may be that Intel are the better option once all of the dust has settled and those who rushed into pre-ordering Ryzen on the back of hype whilst still being kept a little in the dark due to lack of reviews may regret it.
 
AlamoX said:
where do you get that from, the video doesnt say it's xfr, beside why would they bring oc champions if there is no manual oc
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Applying the same argument, why AMD gave to the professional overclockers a chip with stepping F1, when the latest engineering samples have stepping F4?
 
awaybreaktoday said:
@Gibbo does the ROG Crosshair VI Hero AMD X370 support AM3 mounting kits?
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"Extended Compatibility for AM4/AM3 Coolers: Making Easy Work of Mounting Your Existing Coolers
The special mounting holes on the CROSSHAIR VI HERO makes it easy to fit with AM3/AM4 coolers as well as the existing LN2 pots. Just switch out the AM3 cooler for a AM4 one, you’ll get more life out of your previous cooler!"

This ASUS marketing material is extracted from another (more expensive) sellers website selling said board.
 
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