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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

 
five8five said:
Don't understand why AMD haven't clarified what the "X" on the CPU denotes and what overclocks to expect from XFR.
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I believe its just the XFR, essentially automatic overclocking support, though I believe the 1700 may also feature it as well.
 
drunkenmaster said:
It doesn't, I've said before, 10 years ago this would be a normal nda event, reviewers told details, given chips to test, reviews come a couple weeks later. Today we have twitter and people who can't keep their mouths shut as well as entitled enthusiasts who criticise AMD for not just stating information. So they made this tech thing public rather than private and let enthusiasts order early because why not, they want to those who don't want to... I know this will be hard to comprehend for you but, those who don't want to preorder... don't have to?

Considering AMD let a bunch of very highly specced Intel systems be tested against Zen on camera by probably a hundred + journalists/reviewers and many of them have shown various comparisons as well as AMD showing live benchmarking on stage, what do you think they are hiding?

So no, it doesn't beg a question of why they are trying to tie down sales, probably 50-100k people will pre-order, no one else will, Zen needs to sell in the region of 10's of millions to be successful, you think a tiny number of sales in the next week will make or break AMD... really? Or as you have been for years, are you just being anti-amd everywhere you can, like athlonxp1800?
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To be fair to mmj_uk a lot of people today have said that having pre-orders without proper reviews isn't right.
 
mmj_uk said:
But that begs the question why are AMD are trying to tie down sales before allowing reviewers to review?
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1) Gaming benchmarks are not as good as expected, probably AAA titles that need raw horsepower rather than more cores.
and/or
2) OC below expectations.

Anandtech is advising you to wait between the lines.
 
Spyhop said:
The conclusion page on every review will probably say: Great achievement, great stock perf, atrocious overclocking headroom ;)
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That's what I think, don't get me wrong Ryzen looks like a very competitive chip and it will do wonders for the processor market but I think AMD are worried about what Intel's response is going to be and doing it this way doesn't really give Intel a chance to respond until early March.
 
TaKeN said:
I asked the same question earlier in the 'ZEN CPUS NOW AVAILABLE' thread, which has been ignored. Very odd, who on earth Pre-orders a product without seeing a review first? a £30 game is one thing, but a sub £1000 rig is another kettle of fish.
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As it breaks NDA .
Its tight, as I've said before . completely different from Intel with vendors breaking records. shipping then to reviewers before a certain date breaks it, I'll leave you to guess the date it can be shipped
 
five8five said:
To be fair to mmj_uk a lot of people today have said that having pre-orders without proper reviews isn't right.
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THat may be true, but mmj has an explanation and post to make about every single thing AMD that paints them in a negative light. The fact is AMD have said plenty about the CPU, dozens of reviewer/website people have stated it's the real deal. Really the only thing that carries a big risk with pre-ordering is games, both because returning them is harder and the games industry is notoriously misleading with it's prelaunch information.

Ultimately a review tells you information about the architecture, we have that, information about the chipset, we have that, information about the boards, we have that, information about the clock speeds, we have that, and benchmarks... of which we have many.

Which CPUs beat their rival with the same number of cores in 5-6 major benchmarks which don't stand out as being insane corner case scenarios, but suck in everything else?

So an 8 core Zen beats an 8 core 6900k, both at default clocks, it beats it in handbrake, the 1700 beats the 7700k in terms of the experience provided in the Dota 2 game + stream(7700k dropped loads of frames on the stream, 1700 didn't), it beat the 6800k in multitasking by a mile and isn't far off the 6900k itself and offered good frame rates.

What do people actually think a 'full' review will show up? It will put a lot of the already available information together in one article and it will of course do more benchmarking, but is it likely that it wins Cinebench, handbrake, doesn't struggle with gaming frame rates and handles multitasking really well.... but really sucks in everything else, it doesn't work like that.
 
Gibbo said:
I believe its just the XFR, essentially automatic overclocking support, though I believe the 1700 may also feature it as well.
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I think some where in this fast moving thread it mentions someone from AMD stating the X doesn't stand for XFR but for something else, but they cant tell us what it relates to yet.. I will try and find it but i cant keep up with the posts on here :)
 
TaKeN said:
I asked the same question earlier in the 'ZEN CPUS NOW AVAILABLE' thread, which has been ignored. Very odd, who on earth Pre-orders a product without seeing a review first? a £30 game is one thing, but a sub £1000 rig is another kettle of fish.
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NDA of a product until shipping date is a very bad sign, you could get a car without brakes :)
 
mmj_uk said:
That's what I think, don't get me wrong Ryzen looks like a very competitive chip and it will do wonders for the processor market but I think AMD are worried about what Intel's response is going to be and doing it this way doesn't really give Intel a chance to respond until early March.
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This way gives Intel more chance, right, I mean you see that, giving them more information today rather than March gives Intel more time to respond... more to the point Intel will have known performance for a couple of months, no way mobo makers won't tell the other side what is going on when asked. Hey that £400mil a year revenue you make from Intel chipsets.... tell us what Zen is doing.

But you can't just respond within days to anything but price drops, anything else takes basically on the years time frame in terms of new chips, new skus take a couple months to get made, shipped and into the channel. Price drops can happen in a matter of minutes.
 
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