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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

knowing that my 4 sticks of ddr4 that i saved for Ryzen would be problematic with Ryzen..Just managed to scoop these for £78 very happy .SKILL F4-3200C14D-16GTZ Trident Z Series 16 GB DDR4 3200 MHz CL14 1.35 V Memory Kit
 
Ever since ocuk updated their main website. I noticed problems with order ques. I was at the back of a long que and was told out would be weeks for an item. I cancelled, reordered and got it the next day before people that had ordered before. Be nice if they sorted it out
 
Went for all grey looks, will upgrade the RAM for faster speed soon.

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Gerard said:

Includes a skype call from amd about the motherboards etc.
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I don't like his attitude regards to snubbing AMD's points on its usefulness for productivity, he's ill informed and arrogant, it seems he had a personal issue with AMD and just wanted to disagree with them on everything, GPU acceleration is not the answer to productivity work (snigger... sniff... phft...) far from it, very far from it... so its performance there is relevant. child. <him not you

The people behind some of these slides....


Anyway.... it seems it is a botched launch from AMD, the performance in gaming is actually pretty much where we expected it, around Haswell IPC, nothing at all wrong with that but because of problems with the board, BIOSes and Windows the result often fell below Ivy Bridge, which is not so good for 2017.
 
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Just saw this mentioned on AT forums:

In regards to gaming ASUS in particular, and MSI to some extent. It explains why reviewers such as Joker, Crit, UFDiciple, and TechDeals had far better gaming performance.

Golem.de in Germany had this to say in regards to their MSI motherboard.


https://translate.google.co.uk/tran...ndlich-zurueck-1703-125996-4.html&prev=search

The MSI board was delivered with BIOS version 113, until last Friday a new one appeared.

Version 117, which is still up-to-date, improved speed and stability. If we were still able to count on sporadic Bluescreens with the older UEFI, the board is currently stable. Much more important, however, is the drastically higher performance in games and the real pack with 7-Zip. The release notes include, among other things, a fixed problem with the memory act and its timing as well as the voltage.

Compared to the original bios, the new UEFI increases the image rate in our game course between plus 4 and plus 26 percent, on the average even plus 17 percent!
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Why AMD,why u do this at EVERY launch,rush??

So to summarise:
1.)Launch CPU one month before win patches drop
2.)SMT reduces performance but don't say anything to save face and most reviews have sub-par gaming performance. Reviewers who tested with SMT off get better performance. AMD should have just been honest and told reviewers their SMT implementation was not fully supported in games
3.)Windows power plans affect performance(probably due to lack of windows support) but I assume AMD missed that
4.)Motherboards are buggy
5.)Hardly any motherboard stock
6.)On Reddit AMA one PR person give vague answers which basically said devs need to patch performance,but it might just windows updates are needed in many cases
7.)They could have waited one month and negated many of these issues
 
humbug said:
I don't like his attitude regards to snubbing AMD's points on its usefulness for productivity, he's ill informed and arrogant, it seems he had a personal issue with AMD and just wanted to disagree with them on everything, GPU acceleration is not the answer to productivity work (snigger... sniff... phft...) far from it, very far from it... so its performance there is relevant. child. <him not you

Anyway.... it seems it is a botched launch from AMD, the performance in gaming is actually pretty much where we expected it, around Haswell IPC, nothing at all wrong with that but because of problems with the board, BIOSes and Windows the result often fell below Ivy Bridge, which is not so good for 2017.
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Until this launch he has always come across as a pretty level headed and thorough reviewer to me at least, however he seems to be getting really snotty at AMD. Also hope he had permission to record those phone calls. As that breaks the law in certain countries Iirc?
 
sidthesexist said:
Until this launch he has always come across as a pretty level headed and thorough reviewer to me at least, however he seems to be getting really snotty at AMD. Also hope he had permission to record those phone calls. As that breaks the law in certain countries Iirc?
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i think he, like the rest of us, hoped amd wouldnt fudge this launch up, and their too late fudge fixes annoyed him (and me)

ps got my be quiet dark pro 3 am4 kit in the post yesterday, so yay i suppose
 
Thought I would post this here, does anyone with then new crosshair board have the same problem as me with the board not posting, my board goes through all it's error codes and then sits on error 0d with no video output what so ever does anyone have any ideas
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Just saw this mentioned on AT forums:






Why AMD,why u do this at EVERY launch,rush??

So to summarise:
1.)Launch CPU one month before win patches drop
2.)SMT reduces performance but don't say anything to save face and most reviews have sub-par gaming performance. Reviewers who tested with SMT off get better performance. AMD should have just been honest and told reviewers their SMT implementation was not fully supported in games
3.)Windows power plans affect performance(probably due to lack of windows support) but I assume AMD missed that
4.)Motherboards are buggy
5.)Hardly any motherboard stock
6.)On Reddit AMA one PR person give vague answers which basically said devs need to patch performance,but it might just windows updates are needed in many cases
7.)They could have waited one month and negated many of these issues
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Agree just 1 month wait would have made it a much better launch for them ....peeps like us where not too fussed as we see past the problems and look forward...however peeps not like us 1st impressions last ....

at the end of the day we have a £320 MT monster on the heels of the Intel 10c 20t @ £1200 + a massive £900 ish saving what's not to like

Imagine multi-sockets from Supermicro /tyan and alike supporting these Ryzens maybe with a hack mod.... that would be great a 16c 32t monster full Ryzan build which would be cheaper than the 1 10c 20t chip from Intel a nice cheap mans farm ..fingers crossed
 
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