Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th
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Yes. But the 'insta-better if' myth has always been seductive to people in need. It's right on par with winning the lottery, and was cynically deployed. Some remained convinced that life could not get any worse, their protest would kick the Tories and bring the attention back to their local grievances. So far - nil out of three. Most will go to the grave without seeing any profit from their protest due to the time scales and the transformation on the cards, nor do I think Empire 2/Singapore MAX really appeals to them either. A minority will be happy to dine on jingoism alone, come what may, as that's all that stands for identity in their life. But that's not an improvement, just further escapism from politics and responsibility for making it better.
The lib dems have two distinct wings, the old liberal party (socially liberal, right leaning economically, closer to the Tories than labour) and the old social democratic party (socially liberal, centre left leaning economically, closer to labour than the tories).
Which wing is in charge of the party, and which wing the mp you can vote for sits on is therefore very important. Under clegg, the liberals were in charge, farron is more of a social Democrat.
The mistake many make is assuming people who vote lib dem would otherwise vote labour, this delusion lost the south West for the lib dems at the last election, when they upset their voters by suggesting they would rather side with labour, and watching their vote all swing to the conservatives.
To be honest how many lives are going change significantly entirely due to Brexit? Maybe few people might lose their jobs, but that happens anyways. And is sad regardless.
I'll still have the same house, same job, same friends, same local, same golf courses, same car, same hobbies. Maybe bit more tax here, bit less tax there, bit more health and safety here, bit less here, etc. Etc.
Same with general elections. People build up this prediction of how voting Tory/labour/ whoever will change there lives dramatically.
I'm sure for a select few it might, but for the majority? Life keeps ticking.
The SNP would be happy to vote on any motion revoking A50 so Scotland really isn't the issue.
The question is England. The party needs to concentrate on that and try and get the most seats in England. If their English seats and the SNPs Scottish seats end up in a majority then they could revoke it.
Perhaps not, but almost two thirds of the Scottish votes remain...
That will all be heavily affected by Brexit, not in the fiscal sense (a weaker, poorer country will have more trouble providing these services) and in other senses.
Historically I certainly wouldn't disagree with that, the glue that binds the 2 being the "socially liberal" as opposed to Blair's CCTV nation and May's encryption is only used by the bad guys stance.
I think the party today like any party has a mix of left and right, but weighted around the centre with quite a lot of younger members and mps than 15 years ago. I think they'd like to be seen as "progressive" rather than "regressive"
Well quite. I like some Labour polices and I don't think all of the Tory policies are completely hatstand, but you have to take them as a package unfortunately.
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The SNP is centre left. Some posters on here have said they are actually right wing. A large swathe of Scotland hates the Tories as they see them destroying the services so many people rely upon. It is only your ignorance of Scotland that makes you unable to understand why they vote for the SNP and it is not because of independence but because they are doing a good job of running the country. No Govt is perfect but compared to the Labour Govts up here they are much better. Only the opposition go on about independence all the time especially the Tory leader. She bring it up almost all the time even when the subject being asked has nothing to do with independence.
Flip flopping in what sense? Having some policies that are slightly left wing and some policies that are slightly right wing would seem pretty standard for a centralist party.
Why? If a coalition backed by the majority of the populous is in power it doesn't matter if the party with the most votes is in the coalition.
We are a representative democracy with a fptp system. You vote directly for the seat, not the party.
New labour weren't exactly left in the traditional sense.
Labour are usually a coalition of "far" (relative) and centre left people, lib dems a coalition of centre left and centre right and conservatives a coalition of centre right and "far" right people.
You're right that they are also broadly central on the authoritarian scale as well, unlike main two parties.
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I have been saying this as well. The Tories want to make this election a re-run of the Ref. because they have almost killed the NHS and education is a mess. It is a distraction technique and I hope people start to ask about the real issues just at any GE.
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Always found it funny we can accept a far left PM, but never a far right one. Both are extremes prone to the odd bout of violent activism.
Pfft, we already have a far right one, the far-right tories all see Corbyn as a filthy pinko.
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Even though I'm not a Labour voter, I'll be sad to see Andy Burnham go. He was one Labour politician I genuinely liked and respected. Should have been leader instead of Corbyn.
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I don't think you can really label TM far right.
She just called a GE to consolidate power, a centre politician would be working with their opposition in an ideal world, but this is Britain home of Tim Nice but Dim, Jeremy the Commie-Terrorist lover and Theresa I want to be more evil than even Thatcher.
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As Newsnight said recently 'she has been captured by the far right wing of her party'. Given her record as Home Sec she is pretty authoritarian so not much of a shift would be needed.
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In the example given a coalition between the winning party and any Other would represent more than all the Others together. The party with the most votes being excluded doesn't sit well with me, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't sit well with you either if your chosen party received 49% but was ousted by several less popular and even fringe parties.
Imagine if the EU Ref ended:
Remain: 49%
Hard Brexit: 25%
Soft Brexit: 20%
Diet Brexit: 6%
You'd be fine with Remain being excluded?
If the party with the most votes can't get on with the other parties then tough. If that's the case then it's unlikely that the majority would want that party in the coalition anyway. It's essentially similar to the French system that spoke about with Scorza earlier in the thread.
And I'm not going to comment on the second part because you've given multiple Brexit options, but only one remain option.
to have a fair question remain should also be split up into something akin to:Status quo
Further integration
Less integration but remain part of EU
My results for the quiz:
http://uk.isidewith.com/results/3082101424
No wonder I flip flop between parties each election...
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It's exactly the same principle, and everyone knows why you're not answering.
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