No you're right. I don't think anyone with half a brain would actually believe a 'hard' Brexit would actually happen. All the posturing and maneuvering is for show. We both need ( or would like) each other to stay open for business.
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No you're right. I don't think anyone with half a brain would actually believe a 'hard' Brexit would actually happen. All the posturing and maneuvering is for show. We both need ( or would like) each other to stay open for business.
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This is in danger of morphing into a brexit thread. Let's not forget a GE is about domestic issues as well, not just foreign policy.
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What about the NHS? As someone who relies on the NHS, it is a far more important issue to me than brexit.
What about tax, education, housing, transport. All those affect the average voters life far more than brexit ever will.
What about tax, education, housing, transport. All those affect the average voters life far more than brexit ever will.
Sorry, what's the issue there? Those that represented the majority ended up in power, even though none of them won the most seats individually.
The coalition system is how most of the rest of the world usually works.
Let's not forget that foreign policy is about a lot more than just our relationship with the EU also. Remember that time Jeremy Corbyn went to a Cuba Solidarity Campaign in London instead of meeting with the Parliamentary Labour Party in the wake of the UK Independence referendum? Tells you something about the man's priorities.
They were never a party of the left.
They are a centralist party, between both labour and Conservatives usually.
What's important and what's populist aren't always the same thing.
All those issues you cite are important at every election, but it usually focuses on one topic....."It's the economy, stupid"
Who knows but if you don't try and create new business opportunities or change how do you progress?
They were never a party of the left.
They are a centralist party, between both labour and Conservatives usually.
No they aren't. They're a flip flopping party.
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The party with the most votes should automatically be part of any coalition.
Southern European countries have been suffering economically from being part of the Eurozone, not from being part of the EU. This is a common misunderstanding.
They were left of Nu-Labour, they are right of Corbinism..They were never a party of the left.
They are a centralist party, between both labour and Conservatives usually.
The key to the Lib Dems isn't so much that they are a centralist (or slightly left of center) party in the traditional sense. It's that they are a Liberal non-authoritarian party (A different political axis) both Labour and the Conservatives are more authoritarian. They're still pretty central on that axis as well, they're hardly anarchists..
The Lib Dems have done the least "flip flopping" as you put it out of the 3 main parties.
Cons: We want to stay in Europe
Cons: We want to stay in the single market
Cons: No election until 2020
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People think Brexit is the end of the world because its utterly utterly pointless. We will gain absolutely nothing and stand to lose a fair amount. Obligatory "imo".
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Oh, so you like change? Break things and see what falls out? Shake it up? Kick the blob? Creative destruction? A bit of self-harm to make the future sweeter? Ffs. Woeful.
But if you're up for knowing more things and 'taking forward the lessons':
Next up try to change the other troika: WTO, IMF and World Bank, and indeed get major concessions - outside a large trade bloc - from them by throwing a hissy fit - because that's who's going to end up dictating the terms on which our future lives or dies, after the EU is done with us, aka 'Global Britain'; then same for the EU via loose cooperation from the outside without any meaningful participation in its future regulation via its institutions, because we do rely on their market and sell to their market as the geographically nearest location to us; then on to the US, China and India on an even looser and less even and kind footing; proceed to do good work with making Blighty hold together as a Union, whilst globalism at large is taking you raw from behind with no economic buffers and a reduced relative market to your main competitors; investors come and go as they please (kicking your weaker currency if they're unhappy about X), with a shrinking competitive advantage, skills deficit and a trade deficit. What utopian vision, sir! Mind the pitchforks, though.
Not all change is good. Regressive change based on some half-forgotten, half-baked vision of marketeetring zealotry (it's always better in textbooks), Unicorn England or imagined grievance at some foreign Big Bad more so. Or like this dunce: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...eading-eu-uk-trade-deal-tariff-a7691271.html; do you think the world of free trade, where there's perfect harmony, perfect competition and nothing but trade to do internationally is but another blind leap away, given recent political trends? Pull another one!
Why? They shouldn't if they can't see eye to eye with any of their potential coalition partners.
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Hence minority governments and second elections. Talks do break down.
"The will of the people"? The will of just over half the people, people that are least likely to ever really vote lib dem anyway?
Eg: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ain-how-brexit-won-eu-explained-a7101676.html
A lot of peoples lives were hurting as it is. Did you listen to any of them?
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