Ecoboost / Ecoflex engines

robj20 said:
I don't have a gripe with turbocharged petrols, I have a gripe with Small turbocharged petrols.

My mum has a 1.4 mk2 focus that averages 52mpg mostly around town driving, seems to be about the same as these new 1.0 turbo petrols so what's the point.
My opinion is its mostly about reducing the emissions. Yet the owner is left with a car slightly more expensive to maintain due to the turbo.
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Because your mums 1.4 is slower than a 1.0l ecoboost and no fun to drive. Plus the 1.0l is no more to maintain than the 1.4. However if you want even more fun the 150ps vag 1.4 will dance around your mums 1.4, the ford engine was a pretty poor just like the 1.6 was and with co2 emmissions at 157g/km...
 
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The only problem with the Ford EcoBoost engines are they are really heavy on fuel....

I get almost the same mpg out my ford EcoBoost engine as I did out my RX8 rotary engine..
 
chaparral said:
The only problem with the Ford EcoBoost engines are they are really heavy on fuel....

I get almost the same mpg out my ford EcoBoost engine as I did out my RX8 rotary engine..
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Depends how you drive and when you drive. I have the bog standard 1.0T 99 version and it's been great for the last 24K miles, it gives me just over 50MPG had all the power I need, i don't carry luggage and only myself. I would not go back to a 1.1 or 1.25 NA engine now. Sure there are a lot of people with concerns over the longevity of the engines, but I'm probably the type of driver this engine was tested/built for. No harsh acceleration, never go over 75, very little stop/start etc.

Been very happy with it :) I wouldn't buy a 3 cycliner 1.0T 99 in a focus estate for example to haul 4 people and loads of cargo across country mind :) but you buy for what you need.
 
So I spent today mostly carting around 3 passengers in the Focus 1.0 (99bhp) and have to say am very happy with how well it copes, felt much better than the days I had an old Seat Leon 1.6 which required forward planning just to join a roundabout when you had a full car! Averaged 45MPG on mostly A-roads and country lanes which still doesn't meet the official figures but then I wasn't trying to and am not really inclined to try and match them. The main thing that impresses me is how well it copes compared to my experiences in similar sized cars with 1.6 or smaller engines.

chaparral said:
The only problem with the Ford EcoBoost engines are they are really heavy on fuel....

I get almost the same mpg out my ford EcoBoost engine as I did out my RX8 rotary engine..
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I'm guessing this is the bigger more performance oriented ones you are referring to when driven enthusiastically? I averaged 18MPG over the years I owned the RX8 with the best run being just over 21MPG.
 
NightShadow said:
I'm guessing this is the bigger more performance oriented ones you are referring to when driven enthusiastically? I averaged 18MPG over the years I owned the RX8 with the best run being just over 21MPG.
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Yes my 2.0ltr focus ST

Averaged around 18mpg in my focus ST and used to get around 15mpg in my RX8 when the engine was good (And I used to drive my RX8 far harder then my focus ST)...
 
From memory his driving is almost exclusively town/back road type driving so it's not greatly representative of what others may see when driving to a more general profile.

Mine (so far at least) is averaging somewhere around the same as the vrs and most cars of a similar power level I've had before - about 28mpg
 
Fair enough, a friend has an ST on order at the moment,
chaparral said:
Yes my 2.0ltr focus ST

Averaged around 18mpg in my focus ST and used to get around 15mpg in my RX8 when the engine was good (And I used to drive my RX8 far harder then my focus ST)...
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Haha, yeah you needed to drive them hard to really enjoy them, still miss the 9000rpm redline :(. A friend has an ST on order so will be interested to see how he gets on, although I would definitely want it to be better than the RX8.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Seems very poor unless that's around town.
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Poor in relation to what?

I find it odd that people keep comparing modern engines to old engines and expecting them to instantly be better in terms of mpg or power e.g. - 182bhp from a 1.6 Ecoboost is poor today, when 20 years ago Honda were getting 182bhp from a NA 1.6 in the Civic Type R. Would the Civic pass the same emissions standards though?

Improvements have been made but unfortunately most have been in less exciting areas such as emissions or reliability.
 
Armageus said:
Poor in relation to what?

I find it odd that people keep comparing modern engines to old engines and expecting them to instantly be better in terms of mpg or power e.g. - 182bhp from a 1.6 Ecoboost is poor today, when 20 years ago Honda were getting 182bhp from a NA 1.6 in the Civic Type R. Would the Civic pass the same emissions standards though?

Improvements have been made but unfortunately most have been in less exciting areas such as emissions or reliability.
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Probably because power and fuel economy are the 2 things people care about the most as its most apparent to them when using their cars day to day. Thats why diesels got so popular as lets face it if moneys tight then 60+mpg from a 2001 belcher sounds much more attractive than 40mpg from a brand new car...
 
[TW]Fox said:
Seems very poor unless that's around town.
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Compared to my old Leon 1.8T it's around 5MPG better with no real change in driving style or type of driving. And is much cheaper to tax. Compared to my car previous to the Leon, a 306GTI-6 it's an easy 10MPG better too. I do a bit of stop start but not a huge amount. Work is three miles up the road and I do a 45 mile round trip once a week. I'm happy with that, but 40MPG from a 180HP petrol motor is poor? Sure official extra urban figure is higher but honest john's real mpg figures are bang on for what I'm getting. https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/ford/focus-2011/16t-ecoboost and even the 1.0 ecoboost doesn't do that much better, only a couple of MPG more.
 
Peugeot 208 GTI by Peugeot Sport which is a year old in September. Just coming up to 7k and averaging 40mpg (8 mile to work, Oxford ring road is start stop) which I'm happy with for a 1.6l turbo that can shift when it needs to!
 
I've got a 1.5 150 BHP ecoboost Kuga on hire at the moment.

It's quite nice, surprisingly quick for a faux off road shopping trolley.

Dreadful dash though.
 
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