Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

[scorza]

And people accuse the Tories of lying through their teeth!

You just know that they'll throw open the doors to all an sundry, heck i wouldn't be surprised if they order the Navy to redirect the boats coming across the med to the UK

Do people honestly think that Corbyn isn't a lying toad? https://medium.com/@takooba/the-mounting-lies-of-jeremy-corbyn-56b0c5e739e3 Since then we've had the lies about Diane Abbot's health.

Edit: oh and it seems that John McDonnell said that Jeremy Corbyn would have to resign if Labour lost the election, which they did. So come on Jeremy, are you going to resign or are you going to make your Shadow Chancellor a liar as well? https://order-order.com/2017/06/11/270145/

 

[b0redj0rd]

https://order-order.com/2017/06/12/davis-leaving-single-market/

 

[easyrider]

No, it's not. Why didn't you highlight the part where i asked - why can't they set up a company?



You're not making any sense, do you think every business costs billions to set up? Why use huge corporations as the example? these large companies didn't start off like that. Amazon started off as online book shop, did Bill gates have billions to start with?
Whats stopping someone using a £1000 bank loan and creating a company themselves?

Doesn't matter how much people spin it, not everyone is born equal, there are some people who just aren't going to be CEO of a multi billion pound company, they aren't going to be that superstar sportsman or superstar musician. There's a hierarchy at a biological level, and that plays out economically & socially.

I think you need to watch Micheal Moore's Capitalism a Love Story as you don't really have a clue.

 

[h4rm0ny]

How patronising and condescending do you want to be ??
Sorry to break it too you fella but the youth of today are more intelligent and informed than the youth of yesterday, but will not be as informed / intelligent than the youth of tomorrow . It's called evolution!

That's teleology. I.e. the misconception that evolution has a purpose, direction. The Theory of Evolution does not say that species get "better", it says they adapt. There's a significant chance that we're actually selecting for lesser intelligence at the moment because women who are academically successful have fewer children than women who are not, on average. This just to illustrate that evolution isn't a progression of improvements. Do you think the dodo ended up as it did by consistent "improvement"?

Aside from that, evolution does not work so quickly as to show an intellectual difference between generations anyway. The pace of change is determined by the pace of change in evolutionary pressures. Unless some monster from space suddenly devours everyone but the top 25% of people by intelligence, you're not going to be able to say that Generation Y is smarter than Generation X. Any change would be utterly, utterly dwarfed by factors such as education, nutrition and others.

Because trickle down economics is a lie:-

That doesn't answer their question at all which was what difference does it make to you how much money someone at the top has.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Doubtful considering immigration is probably the biggest concern amongst the public, to open the borders even more would be political suicide for any party.

The important thing is to say you're doing something about it. It doesn't matter whether you actually are. See: the tories for the past umpteen years.

 

[h4rm0ny]

I think you need to watch Micheal Moore's Capitalism a Love Story as you don't really have a clue.

Michael Moore is one of the most dishonest people to have mainstream documentary success. I watched Bowling for Columbine. It disgusted me.

 

[easyrider]

That doesn't answer their question at all which was what difference does it make to you how much money someone at the top has.

Because that person owns the means of production.

 

[easyrider]

Michael Moore is one of the most dishonest people to have mainstream documentary success. I watched Bowling for Columbine. It disgusted me.

I wasn't asking whether you liked him. His documentaries can be read both subjectively and objectively if you have a brain.

 

[Vonhelmet]

That doesn't answer their question at all which was what difference does it make to you how much money someone at the top has.

It doesn't, to a point, but wealth inequality isn't healthy.

 

[easyrider]

It doesn't, to a point, but wealth inequality isn't healthy.

Of course it effects the "ordinary people"

 

[robgmun]

How's the Conservatives' track record on meeting their manifesto promises on immigration?

It would likely to be double under Labour if they got in.

 

[delta0]

https://order-order.com/2017/06/12/davis-leaving-single-market/

Brilliant!

 

[wildman]

wait sorry i forgot, prostitution. deffo a 1k star up




already well above 1k.....

and hilariously illegal....

not really, if you are going to brothel keep and not use your own house, you will need a lot more than 1K, you'll need a deposit plus x months rent in advance.

 

[mid_gen]

It would likely to be double under Labour if they got in.

The more Conservative supporters come out with this sort of childish hysterics, the more people will turn to Labour. Keep it up.

 

[scorza]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hannan-young-brits-vote-for-free-stuff/article/2625488
Hannan: Young Brits vote for free stuff

I know we have seen some surprising election results over the past year, but this one is off the scale.

Two in five British people have voted for an unrepentant Communist, a man who has consistently sided with the West's enemies, a man who regrets the outcome of the Cold War.

I realize that these are big claims and, in a political climate where hyperbole is normal, you might think I'm exaggerating. I am not. But Jeremy Corbyn is not simply a left-wing populist in the mould of say, Sen. Bernie Sanders. Sanders is, as P.J. O'Rourke might put it, wrong within the normal parameters of wrong. Corbyn's politics do not resemble those of the old Vermont senator, so much as one of those early 20th-century American Communists: John Reed, say, or Eugene Dennis.

The bedrock of Corbyn's ideology is that the West is always and everywhere wrong. This belief has led him into some strange alliances. He supported the IRA when it was seeking to bomb Northern Ireland into submission. He backed Hamas and Hezbollah. He was a cheerleader for Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez. He wouldn't even condemn the fascist Argentine junta that invaded the Falkland Islands in 1982, because hey, they couldn't be all bad if they were against us.

 

[Six6siX]

It would likely to be double under Labour if they got in.

Nice deflection.

What's the answer to the actual question asked:

What's the Conservatives track record on meeting their manifesto promises on immigration?

 

[Sankari]

Theresa May, 2016:

"I think the economic arguments are clear. I think being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us. I think, as I was saying to you a little earlier, that one of the issues is that a lot of people will invest here in the UK because it is the UK in Europe.

If we were not in Europe, I think there would be firms and companies who would be looking to say, do they need to develop a mainland Europe presence rather than a UK presence? So I think there are definite benefits for us in economic terms."

 

[Vonhelmet]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hannan-young-brits-vote-for-free-stuff/article/2625488
Hannan: Young Brits vote for free stuff

McCarthy era rot. Boring.

 

[mid_gen]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hannan-young-brits-vote-for-free-stuff/article/2625488
Hannan: Young Brits vote for free stuff

I continue to be staggered by the ineptitude of the Tories. After a disastrous snap election run on a campaign of no policies and focusing on personal attacks on Corbyn.....they continue to not talk about policy and instead focus on personal attacks on Corbyn.

All Labour have to do is stick with their manifesto and the Tories will dig their own grave by continuing to offer nothing of substance.

 

[scorza]

Corbyn gives his response to England's U-20 World Cup victory: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCD_NjvXcAAwmNL.jpg