Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

Exit poll: Who did you vote for?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 302 27.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 577 52.6%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 104 9.5%
  • Green

    Votes: 13 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 19 1.7%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 30 2.7%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 6 0.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 46 4.2%

  • Total voters
    1,097
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Go back a page and see where it started. It started with an article i posted about 9 million people not paying any tax. I said why can't they set up a company making more money, hence they would pay more tax and earn more money for themselves. There's nothing stopping people doing that.

but trusty im not joking i will give you 1k today if you can give me 1.1k by july 12th.

Youre ok, give it to someone who needs it.
 
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Go back a page and see where it started. It started with an article i posted about 9 million people not paying any tax. I said why can't they set up a company making more money, hence they would pay more tax.



Your ok, give it to someone who needs it.



no it staRTED BY ME QUOTING AMIGAFAN SAYING HE WAS 40 YEARS OUT OF DATE AND YOU SAYING I MADE NO SENSE?

capslock sry

like i said your idea made sense half a century ago but now it doesnt. the idea of worker owning the means oif production died about th time the means started costing billions.



chip fabs, steel woprks, foundries etc
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i said its out of date because we cannot return to cotttage iindustry
 
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no it staRTED BY ME QUOTING AMIGAFAN SAYING HE WAS 40 YEARS OUT OF DATE AND YOU SAYING I MADE NO SENSE?

capslock sry

like i said your idea made sense half a century ago but now it doesnt. the idea of worker owning the means oif production died about th time the means started costing billions.



chip fabs, steel woprks, foundries etc
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i said its out of date because we cannot return to cotttage iindustry

Well that's where the confusion is, i was talking about people wanting to earn more money, there would nothing stopping people doing what i suggested. Take a night course in learning code, make an app which is a success, whatever it is, people can do more but a lot of the time, most people don't want to or know how to do it.
 
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Well that's where the confusion is, i was talking about people wanting to earn more money, there would nothing stopping people doing what i suggested. Take a night course in learning code, make an app which is a success, whatever it is, people can do more but a lot of the time, most people don't want to or know how to do it.


fine, great but non of those people are going to own the means of production are they?




not for any reasonable % o thr population
 
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fine, great but non of those people are going to own the means of production are they?




not for any reasonable % o thr population

Nope, but like most people aren't going to a superstar sportsman or something, it's just a fact of life. Suppose there's nothing stopping you getting in on those big companies profits if you read a bit about stocks n shares and whatnot. I'm not a laissez faire capitalist by the way.
 
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no it staRTED BY ME QUOTING AMIGAFAN SAYING HE WAS 40 YEARS OUT OF DATE AND YOU SAYING I MADE NO SENSE?

capslock sry

like i said your idea made sense half a century ago but now it doesnt. the idea of worker owning the means oif production died about th time the means started costing billions.



chip fabs, steel woprks, foundries etc
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i said its out of date because we cannot return to cotttage iindustry

Which in itself is missing things like that many fabs and foundries run shuttle services to cater to cottage industry (amongst other things) from which they can/could grow potentially into massive companies in their own right.

The whole thing isn't just outdated but flawed.
 
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Chukka Umuna just now on Radio 4 admitted that Labour, Her Majesty's Opposition, do not currently have a policy on Brexit. Let that sink in.

I'd love to hear that interview.

To be honest, Chukka was one of Corbyn's more vocal critics and broke ranks with the party, saying they should absolutely ignore the electorate and stay in the EU.

Anyway, Corbyn has been clear about their Brexit policy in multiple interviews.

1) immediately guarantee the rights of existing EU citizens who are here
2) An end to free movement of people
3) Tariff free access to the single market
4) Keeping the European court of Human rights and Human Rights laws in place
 
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The Conservative policy on Brexit is in their manifesto, it was dissected and discussed throughout the election campaign. Oh and yeah - your post wasn't clear, try harder please.

No it wasn't, the details of their Brexit strategy didn't even come up in the election campaign, other than a few points in the manifesto
 
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The Conservative policy on Brexit is in their manifesto, it was dissected and discussed throughout the election campaign. Oh and yeah - your post wasn't clear, try harder please.
as is labours, but dont bother reading it, LOL.

its a million times more precise and laid out than tories.

NEGOTIATING BREXIT Labour accepts the referendum result and a Labour government will put the national interest first. We will prioritise jobs and living standards, build a close new relationship with the EU, protect workers’ rights and environmental standards, provide certainty to EU nationals and give a meaningful role to Parliament throughout negotiations. We will end Theresa May’s reckless approach to Brexit, and seek to unite the country around a Brexit deal that works for every community in Britain. We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single 0arket and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first. A Labour government will immediately guarantee existing rights for all EU nationals living in Britain and secure reciprocal rights for UK citizens who have chosen to make their lives in EU countries. EU nationals do not just contribute to our society: they are part of our society. And they should not be used as bargaining chips. It is shameful that the Prime Minister rejected repeated attempts by Labour to resolve this issue before Article 50 was triggered. As a result three million EU nationals have suffered unnecessary uncertainty, as have the 1.2 million UK citizens living in the EU. A Conservative Brexit will weaken workers’ rights, deregulate the economy, slash corporate taxes, sideline Parliament and democratic accountability, and cut Britain off from our closest allies and most important trading partners. Labour recognises that leaving the EU with ‘no deal’ is the worst possible deal for Britain and that it would do damage to our economy and trade. We will reject ‘no deal’ as a viable option and if needs be negotiate transitional arrangements to avoid a Ȇcliff-edge’ for the 8. economy. The issues that affect our continent now will continue to do so in the future – and Labour will continue to work constructively with the EU and other European nations on issues such as climate change, refugee crises and counter-terrorism. :e will build a close co-operative future relationship with the EU, not as members but as partners. CHAPTER 02 NEGOTIATING BREXIT 25 A Labour government will ensure that the UK maintains our leading research role by seeking to stay part of Horizon 2020 and its successor programmes and by welcoming research staff to the 8.. :e will seek to maintain membership of (or equivalent relationships with) (uropean organisations which offer benefits to the 8. such as (uratom and the European Medicines Agency. We will seek to ensure that Britain remains part of the Erasmus scheme so that British students have the same educational opportunities after we leave the EU. The EU is the UK’s single largest trading partner in agricultural produce, with the vast majority of British exports being sold to European markets. A Labour government will end the uncertainty for our farmers and food producers by securing continued EU market access allowing British farmers and food producers to continue to sell their products on the Continent. Labour will also protect our farmers and rural economy by ensuring Britain continues to set the highest standards in food quality and welfare. We will not allow Brexit to be used as an excuse to undercut our farmers and ȵood Britain’s food chain with cheap and inferior produce. We will drop the Conservatives’ Great Repeal Bill, replacing it with an EU Rights and Protections Bill that will ensure there is no detrimental change to workers’ rights, equality law, consumer rights or environmental protections as a result of Brexit. Throughout the Brexit process, we will make sure that all (8-derived laws that are of benefit Ȃ including workplace laws, consumer rights and environmental protections – are 26 FOR THE MANY NOT THE FEW fully protected without Tualifications, limitations or sunset clauses. We will work with trade unions, businesses and stakeholders to ensure there is a consensus on this vital issue. A Labour approach to Brexit will ensure there can be no rolling back of key rights and protections and that the UK does not lag behind Europe in workplace protections and environmental standards in future. The EU has had a huge impact in securing workplace protections and environmental safeguards. But we all know that for many Brexiteers in the Tory Party, this was why they wanted to Leave – to tear up regulations and weaken hard-fought rights and protections. A Labour government will never consider these rights a burden or accept the weakening of workers’ rights, consumer rights or environmental protections. We will introduce legislation to ensure there are no gaps in national security and criminal justice arrangements as a result of Brexit. Labour recognises the vital role that cross-border agencies such as Eurojust and Europol have played in making Britain safer and that European Arrest Warrants have been invaluable. A Labour government will seek to retain membership of these agencies and continue European Arrest Warrant arrangements. CHAPTER 02 NEGOTIATING BREXIT 27 Labour will seek a Brexit deal that delivers for all regions and nations of the UK. We will introduce a ‘presumption of devolution’ where devolved powers transferred from the EU will go straight to the relevant region or nation. For many people and for much of our country, power can feel just as remote and unaccountable in Westminster as it does in Brussels. So a Labour government will seek to put powers as close to communities as possible. We will ensure there is no drop in (8 Structural )unding as a result of Brexit until the end of the current EU funding round in 2019/20. As part of Labour’s plans to rebalance and rebuild the economy, we will ensure that no region or nation of the UK is affected by the withdrawal of (8 funding for the remainder of this Parliament. This will also apply to the funding of peace and reconciliation projects in Northern Ireland. We will also improve engagement and dialogue with the devolved administrations and seek to ensure the final Bre[it deal addresses specific concerns. In particular Labour will ensure there is no return to a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland and that there is no change in the status or sovereignty of Gibraltar. We will also protect Gibraltar’s economy and ensure that its government can continue to create jobs and prosperity in the years to come. Where Theresa May wants to shut down scrutiny and challenge, Labour will welcome it. We will work with Parliament, not against it. On an issue of this importance the Government can’t hide from the public or Parliament. A Labour approach to Brexit also means legislating to guarantee that Parliament has a truly meaningful vote on the final Bre[it deal.
 
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Anyway, Corbyn has been clear about their Brexit policy in multiple interviews.

2) An end to free movement of people

And people accuse the Tories of lying through their teeth! :rolleyes:

You just know that they'll throw open the doors to all an sundry, heck i wouldn't be surprised if they order the Navy to redirect the boats coming across the med to the UK
 
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