means of production for 1k? well i didn't think you were meaning massive equipment like that. I was generally talking about what is stopping someone from investing 1k into a business to make more money. Like if you are a good builder and want to go it alone, there's nothing stopping you setting up your own company for that amount of money. Nothing stopping you buying supplements or something then selling them on for profit. Like i said before, the backbone of the uk economy is not huge tech giants, why use them as the example?
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well your the one who came up with 1k......
well thers you public liability insurance, wages, pensions, materials etc.
1k would buy you about -1days work as a building contractor?
possibly more i mean you could be on - a few months by the time you pay off your start up loans
you've never done anything like this have you?
except reality?
oh right i forgot your business is going to undercut bulk powders and my protein in a day, where you buying your resources from? ( and lab tests, insurance, warehouse staff etc )
the only business you're setting up for 1k is drug dealing
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There is my quote for you, i wasn't talking specifics of large tech factories, why would i suggest 1k for that. what's stopping someone setting up a business for 1k, thats within their means, you've got to be delusional to think you can hire a factory in China making laptops for 1k.
So i'll ask again, whats stopping people setting up a company for 1k? That answer is pretty obvious to me, i'm not sure whether you'll like to say it though.
In that context though you start small and work your way up how it has always been done - maybe you start with a £30 dremel and identify a gap in the market for something relatively small and after a year or so of selling have the money for a CNC setup and take on a more ambitious product, etc.
I don't think this is quite the context means of production was introduced into the topic however.
I don't think this is quite the context means of production was introduced into the topic however.
ok insurance, wages, pension, raw materials.
and then you know tools ( tools are incredibly expensive), so means of production.
reality?
seriously what business are you setting up for 1k short of buying a few HPS lamps and growing weed?>
realtively small, seems right.
what better to base our economy on but "relativly small for 30 quid".
deffo an easy jum,p from a 30 quid dremal to a several thousand pound CNC machine and the qualified professionals to run it, insurance, pensions, and wages...
Mixer and a trowl, insurance, website. Specialise in hard landscaping. 1st few jobs you do, the client pays for materials, you'll then have enough money to buy the materials yourself and slap on 10%. Bingo bongo bango!
wait sorry i forgot, prostitution. deffo a 1k star up
already well above 1k.....
and hilariously illegal....
already well above 1k.....
and hilariously illegal....
No, it's not. It's really not. Price it up now and you'll see.
Why is it illegal?
Remember you don't need to buy new either, save some money there, you can decent mixers for £75 2nd hand. Insurance for year, £350, website £100. Done and dusted, ready to go.
and when do yo get your first job?
and its ilegal because you arent being a one man band.
so you need pensions etc.
also the ******* county is not going to be sustained by one guy with a cement mixer.
guy with 1000 cement mixers and a bunch of guys working for hi mhe started up with 50k howver....
shock as half my mates are joiners, carpenters, and odd job men.
it aint going to build a country.
big comp[any i work for has has a 1 trillion euro order book. and the entire area depends onit. if it shut all the one man bands would be unemplyedd just as fast.
So i don't know what the debate is about now really. I agree we need big companies as well, obviously.
exactly
he fact we cant run a country on 1k landscaping start ups?
but instead we are bound to the now multi billion pound cost of means of production ?
It's mad how you've completely shifted that original quote over to a one man band laying brick.
I was just point out that you can earn more than min wage quite easily by doing something yourself if you are good enough.
Buy 250 suspension trainers from China, rebrand them and sell them for £30, maybe that make you the 4k. I dunno, but people can do it if youre creative enough
you're the one who mentioned 1k !?
i didn't i was talking about the means of production for a whole damn country which is.
banks, nuclear, shipbuilding, renewables, steel,aluminum etc all things with start up costs in the region of national debts of smaller countries.
seriously i'll happily chuck you a K if you can make it back in a month with profit like you say.
cal it it 10%?
i didn't i was talking about the means of production for a whole damn country which is.
banks, nuclear, shipbuilding, renewables, steel,aluminum etc all things with start up costs in the region of national debts of smaller countries.
seriously i'll happily chuck you a K if you can make it back in a month with profit like you say.
cal it it 10%?
Ok, so this is exactly what you're talking about? Huge factories and what not? well at least were on the same page now.
I think though the original mention of means of production was based on a simplistic understanding of the socialist perspective of the "problem" where the top 1% have the means of production at their disposal - I'm going to go to sleep though rather than write out a dissertation on Marxism/Communist principles on a tiny touchscreen.
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It wasn't linked to the means of production bit though, that's where the confusion is.
so the confusion is you taking my quote to amigafan out of context and going down a meandering lane of ********?
the country, yes as i was was reasonably talking about in context.
but trusty im not joking i will give you 1k today if you can give me 1.1k by july 12th.
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