she's got two parents from the Caribbean, one of whom is half English, yup she's 'black'
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she's got two parents from the Caribbean, one of whom is half English, yup she's 'black'
How was it ever "credible"? Unless you think being a faceless man means you kill someone, cut off their face and then somehow glue it gently to yours and hope it doesn't look like a lifeless mask on your bone structure?
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I agree with him abut the face changing tbh. issue with how things are handled in different media really, book keeps things vague but the tv show has chosen to show you. i always assume it was more of a magical, gift from their god kind of thing. they study a person of similar build , kill him and take their place using spycraft skills basically with some help of their god to change faces. The show makes it seem like its just skinning someone's face and wearing it because arya doesn't follow their rules and doesn't seem to have any connection with their god (not knowingly anyway). But then yeah how does she change voices and height/build etc? does come across as dumb, keep things vague or pick your rules and stick to them. don't go moving the goalposts to suit what ever you want to happen in a scene
except it doesn't move the goalposts and quite clearly shows from the outset that there is much more to changing the faces than simply gluing one on - see this scene from 2 seasons ago:
if it was just gluing faces on then how is Arya's face on the dead body and on her own at the same time... ditto to Jaqen's face... and how do you explain the multiple faces coming off and the waif turning into Jaqen despite the difference in body types?
fact is it has been like this since they introduced the concept - no one has moved goalposts but some people seemingly haven't been paying attention or have forgotten what has already been shown as this recent face changing with Arya/Frey is no different in concept to 2 seasons ago
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that whole scene is moving the goalposts. faceless men can only wear the faces of dead people.... that scene is just the show going of the rails with no R.R.Martin to tell them to stop. I mean arya has seen the hound and the mountain does that mean she or any faceless man can just transform into them at will? the show has handled them very poorly and at times goes completely against the books. You never see her really learn much of the mystic side of things, she just cleans bodies and wears faces others have prepared for her, now all of a sudden shes on her own going against their teaching and somehow knows this stuff and it works? It's jarring and even for fantasy show just seems a little to hard to believe. It's a bit like the whole dany being fire proof stuff. In the books it's an explained one time event because of blood magic sacrifices but in the show she's just fireproof and it will probably never be explained why.
By believing what you want obviously.
Jaqen "dies", appears in place of the waif, faces come off the "corpse" like pages of a book. Maybe it is a hilarious display of power or maybe Arya alone in the temple of the Faceless Men is having an illusion pulled on her.
If it is the first option then the rules Jaqen is going by are comically flexible not least because his introduction is as a common prisoner being transferred from a dungeon to the black watch, a journey of over a thousand miles(?) not including the captivity. A fantastic waste of time for someone with such power.
He also won't even make it to the black watch in the show because he's going to be BBQ'd in the cart cage without Arya intervening.
Arya, someone we never see being trained with this power and whose backstory we know, has left the temple not exactly in the favour of the organisation and is able to spoof the face and figure of a much larger person in their own house in order to kill them all.
The only bizzare part is hearing people come out happy to whitewash this stuff with "ITS MAGIC"
Opinions eh.
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Hot Pie!
That cut from Jorah's 'operation' to pie eating, oh god.
The Starks are ******* awful pet owners and Nymeria knows it. She'll be back, though.
Dead at Theon. I was half expecting him to at least try and get knocked out or something, but not that.
Missandei surely pulled the most ultimate **** tease moment of all time.
The Starks are ******* awful pet owners and Nymeria knows it. She'll be back, though.
Dead at Theon. I was half expecting him to at least try and get knocked out or something, but not that.
Missandei surely pulled the most ultimate **** tease moment of all time.
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She didn't regard him highly when she talked about him with Tyrion last season tbf.
Dead at Theon. I was half expecting him to at least try and get knocked out or something, but not that.
Despite rigging it with flashbacks to light the decision in a certain way it's still the best choice.
Not that he's any use to anyone for anything but failing the hero play would ironically have put the tin lid on his failures.
It was funny to see Theon jumping ship, but it was logically the only choice. He couldn't save Yara and would only get her killed by charging. I think the way he teared up, he knew it too.
The grey scale cure seems a bit daft. The cure is just cutting the grey scale off? Why didn't anyone do this sooner?
The grey scale cure seems a bit daft. The cure is just cutting the grey scale off? Why didn't anyone do this sooner?
The TV series is separate from the books, I don't see how that scene is 'moving goal posts' that doesn't make much sense, that scene is setting them - the goalpost haven't been established before then (in the TV series) we see in season 5 this 'magical' element then 2 seasons later people complain about 'moving goalposts' when in fact the goalposts haven't changed... there was a magical element back then just as there is now
Yes you don't really learn much about the mystic side... that's fine... that's what keeps it a bit more mysterious/magical in the first place - we also don't learn how dragon can survive in eggs for decades years then come alive due to 'magic' nor how the red woman can unleash a daemon from her vag to assassinate a king or how people can be brought back from the dead
not particularly... the recent scene is as much 'magic' as that one from 2 seasons ago.. and the gender is 'fantasy' so 'magic' isn't exactly bizarre unless you're also ignoring the dragons, dead coming back to life etc.. I really don't understand the criticism of 'magic' here given all the other uses of it in the show
How can you brush off people saying 'it's magic' anyway?
The show has dragons, armies of the dead, creatures of ice, giants, literal gods, people who can sit in fire, people returning from the dead, yet despite all this - someone using someones face a little too convincingly is what breaks your reality?
Pfft.
The show has dragons, armies of the dead, creatures of ice, giants, literal gods, people who can sit in fire, people returning from the dead, yet despite all this - someone using someones face a little too convincingly is what breaks your reality?
Pfft.
I'm brushing off people who are twisting what I say into something else, this includes you.
To put exactly the same thing in different and simpler words, I didn't like the scene with Arya faking a grown man and magic was not an acceptable filler of the MANY inconsistencies leading up to it.
And then you complain that I brush people off for arguing against something I didn't say.
Usual forum stuff.
To put exactly the same thing in different and simpler words, I didn't like the scene with Arya faking a grown man and magic was not an acceptable filler of the MANY inconsistencies leading up to it.
And then you complain that I brush people off for arguing against something I didn't say.
Usual forum stuff.
I still don't follow why this is weird though. It's already established that magic can change how others perceive you. Just look at Melisandre. We know she's really a decrepit old woman but her magic makes her appear as a milf.
Arya's/Faceless Men's magic is just a variation.
Arya's/Faceless Men's magic is just a variation.
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So the scene yesterday with the direwolf, was that her direwolf? She's said you're not nymeria, so why didn't they attack if it wasn't?
I think it was more of a 'You're not the Nymeria I once knew', as she's changed now. Both of them really.
Still, it's definitely not the last we'll see of Nymeria, otherwise there's no point of reintroducing her. Chekhov's gun if you will.
Still, it's definitely not the last we'll see of Nymeria, otherwise there's no point of reintroducing her. Chekhov's gun if you will.
Didn't she say 'that's not you'? Which is a little different, implying it is the wolf, but she's different.