Replacing a failing i7-4790k 4GHz... Intel or AMD?

[Gux]

It is a bit confusing compared to intel. If you buy Samsung b die based ram it works well for ryzen. Hynix based ram does not perform as well.

It's not confusing, it's just pure crap. Have to scramble around to find Samsung b die and overpay for RAM in order to be able to Run the platform without being it gimped is a joke. It's extremely bad engineering and I wish people didn't hype up Ryzen when clearly it's a gimped product.

People are so desperate to give AMD another shot, it's letting AMD get away with a really sub par product in every sense. Call the product for what it is, extremely unstable platform that is slower than the competition.

And people are saying AMD is back LOL...

 

[gavinh87]

It's not confusing, it's just pure crap. Have to scramble around to find Samsung b die and overpay for RAM in order to be able to Run the platform without being it gimped is a joke. It's extremely bad engineering and I wish people didn't hype up Ryzen when clearly it's a gimped product.

People are so desperate to give AMD another shot, it's letting AMD get away with a really sub par product in every sense. Call the product for what it is, extremely unstable platform that is slower than the competition.

And people are saying AMD is back LOL...

Have you actually used it or just spouting bs because you read something on the internet?

 

[DarrenM343]

It's not confusing, it's just pure crap. Have to scramble around to find Samsung b die and overpay for RAM in order to be able to Run the platform without being it gimped is a joke. It's extremely bad engineering and I wish people didn't hype up Ryzen when clearly it's a gimped product.

People are so desperate to give AMD another shot, it's letting AMD get away with a really sub par product in every sense. Call the product for what it is, extremely unstable platform that is slower than the competition.

And people are saying AMD is back LOL...

I'm always sceptical but I dunno, AMD seem to have been deemed a big enough threat for Intel to bring forward a release that they already apparently had on the shelf ready for a later date. Whatever you/we all think of Ryzen and Threadripper we all should at least be thankful they seem to have given Intel a bit of a hurry up.

 

[Gux]

Have you actually used it or just spouting bs because you read something on the internet?

Nope speaking from personal experience. And you just need to head over to the memory section of this forum and see the topics regarding Ryzen and memory. I don't see an equivalent 22 page topic discussion what RAM people are buying for the Intel platform.

 

[Gux]

I'm always sceptical but I dunno, AMD seem to have been deemed a big enough threat for Intel to bring forward a release that they already apparently had on the shelf ready for a later date. Whatever you/we all think of Ryzen and Threadripper we all should at least be thankful they seem to have given Intel a bit of a hurry up.

Only reason why people see AMD as being a threat, is due to the expectations being so low. People we surprised they came close to Intel performance, most people were expecting Bulldozer 2.0 including Intel. That says everything you need to know about AMD.

Still the memory issues are a joke to be honest. But then again seeing how Vega has come out, it's not unexpected but more par for course with AMD. They always screw something up. They can never launch a really good product with almost no issues. They simply aren't capable of doing that.

 

[DarrenM343]

Only reason why people see AMD as being a threat, is due to the expectations being so low. People we surprised they came close to Intel performance, most people were expecting Bulldozer 2.0 including Intel. That says everything you need to know about AMD.

Still the memory issues are a joke to be honest. But then again seeing how Vega has come out, it's not unexpected but more par for course with AMD. They always screw something up. They can never launch a really good product with almost no issues. They simply aren't capable of doing that.

I don't disagree with you in some ways , but then again AMD have a tiny budget compared to what Intel can spend and also Nvidia. Expecting them to be right up there with both Intel and Nvidia in all areas (performance, compatibility, even reliability), is expecting way too much. I cannot remember the figures now but saw recently AMD's spend was tiny last year compared to the big boys.
I do prefer Intel and Nvidia products but would be good to see AMD do well too. I get the feeling it's a bit of a make or break year for AMD. If they can't pull off success with Ryzen/EPYC/Threadripper I really don't know where to next. Might be better off being bought by someone like Samsung with the really deep pockets

 

[Gux]

I don't disagree with you in some ways , but then again AMD have a tiny budget compared to what Intel can spend and also Nvidia. Expecting them to be right up there with both Intel and Nvidia in all areas (performance, compatibility, even reliability), is expecting way too much. I cannot remember the figures now but saw recently AMD's spend was tiny last year compared to the big boys.
I do prefer Intel and Nvidia products but would be good to see AMD do well too. I get the feeling it's a bit of a make or break year for AMD. If they can't pull off success with Ryzen/EPYC/Threadripper I really don't know where to next. Might be better off being bought by someone like Samsung with the really deep pockets

Well then they need to pull out of one market then. It's their own fault that they are competing in CPU and GPU space and falling short everywhere due to money constraints. Getting tired of keep on hearing same old excuses with AMD, to excuse their sub par products. Ryzen is a decent CPU but the RAM issues takes all that away. AM4 as a package is a sub par product due to 80% of the RAM not being compatible. I guess most AM4 customers are nowhere near running the speed RAM manufacturers provide.

It's a shambles. Ryzen is the first competitive AMD CPU in 10 years and they manage to screw that up as well.

 

[gavinh87]

Nope speaking from personal experience. And you just need to head over to the memory section of this forum and see the topics regarding Ryzen and memory. I don't see an equivalent 22 page topic discussion what RAM people are buying for the Intel platform.

But you will find tons of posts on delidding. There are pros and cons on both but calling it extremely unstable just comes down to faulty hardware or unstable overclocks.

 

[gavinh87]

Well then they need to pull out of one market then. It's their own fault that they are competing in CPU and GPU space and falling short everywhere due to money constraints. Getting tired of keep on hearing same old excuses with AMD, to excuse their sub par products. Ryzen is a decent CPU but the RAM issues takes all that away. AM4 as a package is a sub par product due to 80% of the RAM not being compatible. I guess most AM4 customers are nowhere near running the speed RAM manufacturers provide.

It's a shambles. Ryzen is the first competitive AMD CPU in 10 years and they manage to screw that up as well.

Neither is x99 running memory at high speeds but there no comment on that.....
You need to remember this is a new architecture not just some rehash. Intel have had time to reach the point where they are at now.

 

[Gux]

But you will find tons of posts on delidding. There are pros and cons on both but calling it extremely unstable just comes down to faulty hardware or unstable overclocks.

There is a difference between extreme overclocks people are doing with Intel and people struggling to get past the POST stage because they didnt buy hand selected samsung b die chips.

There is no comparison. There are probably tens of thousands of people buying 3200mhz ram and then struggling to get 2400mhz-2667mhz out of it on AMD

 

[gavinh87]

There is a difference between extreme overclocks people are doing with Intel and people struggling to get past the POST stage because they didnt buy hand selected samsung b die chips.

There is no comparison. There are probably tens of thousands of people buying 3200mhz ram and then struggling to get 2400mhz-2667mhz out of it on AMD

Thats there fault for not doing the research. You can't expect to pay far less than intels platforms with no cons.
The 1700 being half the price of intels 7820k should more then cover the extra cost of memory.

 

[kitfit1]

There is no comparison. There are probably tens of thousands of people buying 3200mhz ram and then struggling to get 2400mhz-2667mhz out of it on AMD

If that was the case, then perhaps you could explain to me why i have 4x8gb of Hynix ram running at 3200 and has been since bios 9945 ? Running nice and stable with a 3.8ghz all core clock, no boot issues at all. Not only that, i didn't even have to gimp my clock by not testing with AVX unlike a lot of iffy Intel clocks displayed lately. Yes i know CPU-Z says Teamgroup, i bought it months ago and at that time the IC's were Hynix.

If peeps are still having issues with ram on AM4, i would suggest it is down to the user and has very little to do with the platform.
Some of you fanboys seem to forget that for a long time X58 had big problems getting past 110 BCLK, did it provoke a massive response from AMD users..................no it didn't because we all knew it would worked around. And yes, i was a very early adopter on X58 so it is all still very fresh in my mind.

 

[Gux]

If that was the case, then perhaps you could explain to me why i have 4x8gb of Hynix ram running at 3200 and has been since bios 9945 ? Running nice and stable with a 3.8ghz all core clock, no boot issues at all. Not only that, i didn't even have to gimp my clock by not testing with AVX unlike a lot of iffy Intel clocks displayed lately. Yes i know CPU-Z says Teamgroup, i bought it months ago and at that time the IC's were Hynix.

If peeps are still having issues with ram on AM4, i would suggest it is down to the user and has very little to do with the platform.
Some of you fanboys seem to forget that for a long time X58 had big problems getting past 110 BCLK, did it provoke a massive response from AMD users..................no it didn't because we all knew it would worked around. And yes, i was a very early adopter on X58 so it is all still very fresh in my mind.

Well if you got it running at 3200mhz then there is no problem at all then. I apologize...

It seems that tens of thousands internet posts where people are trying to resolve their problems are all fake then.

 

[Gux]

Thats there fault for not doing the research. You can't expect to pay far less than intels platforms with no cons.
The 1700 being half the price of intels 7820k should more then cover the extra cost of memory.

Thats why I said you get what you pay for. AMD are well known for being sup par in either CPU or GPU space.

I just wish people werent trying to cover up their junk and be more honest of their amazing shortcomings.

 

[kitfit1]

It seems that tens of thousands internet posts where people are trying to resolve their problems are all fake then.

No, it dosn't mean they are fake. What it does mean is the vast majority are months old, in just the same way that X58 posts are old or Wolfdale posts are old. ALL new platforms have always had issues when released be they Intel or AMD and those issues have always been rectified.

 

[gavinh87]

Thats why I said you get what you pay for. AMD are well known for being sup par in either CPU or GPU space.

I just wish people werent trying to cover up their junk and be more honest of their amazing shortcomings.

3.9ghz running 3466CL14, I'd put this against intels 7820x and would still be quids in and for the same performance.
Sub par is an exaggeration.

 

[Gux]

3.9ghz running 3466CL14, I'd put this against intels 7820x and would still be quids in and for the same performance.
Sub par is an exaggeration.

You really want to start discussing AMD CPU and their GPU performence especially in the last 10 years as not being sub par?

Plz dude...

 

[gavinh87]

You really want to start discussing AMD CPU and their GPU performence especially in the last 10 years as not being sub par?

Plz dude...

So we've gone from ryzen to 10 years back?
Lets go back further to pentium D. I'm not sure the point you are tying to make here.

 

[kitfit1]

So we've gone from ryzen to 10 years back?
Lets go back further to pentium D. I'm not sure the point you are tying to make here.

Perhaps it's just another one of those profiles Intel made years ago and Zornyman is back

 

[gavinh87]

Perhaps it's just another one of those profiles Intel made years ago and Zornyman is back

Well he has disappeared since x299 flopped.