Libya is finished, what country will be next?

Tefal · 23 Jun 2018 at 16:02

BowdonUK said:
Ok, I heard about those stories. I think the problem is that there was no information coming out and people wanted answers. I found the video were he says the line. It was on November 10th 2001 to the UN. It was such an odd thing for him to say though. Even if emails about jews were going around in nerdville it seemed out of place that he should be saying that at such a high profile event.

I had to listen to the video to get to the part were Bush said that line. The speech is interesting listening in hindsight.

what about the arabs partying on the roofs videos from trump?

GGizmo · 23 Jun 2018 at 16:20

Tefal said:
what about the arabs partying on the roofs videos from trump?

Huh? That's not the story I heard back then.

It is difficult getting answers to events that happened in this country without having to sift through an American media in another country.

Tefal · 23 Jun 2018 at 16:24

BowdonUK said:
Huh? That's not the story I heard back then.

It is difficult getting answers to events that happened in this country without having to sift through an American media in another country.

well thats your selection bias, as a cT you're gonna see the jew story, non CTs saw the arabs partying on the roofs story,.

trump even used it in his election.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...hecking-trumps-claim-thousands-new-jersey-ch/

Arguing that there are terrorist sympathizers in the United States, Donald Trump says he saw "thousands" of New Jerseyans celebrating after the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

"I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down," the Republican presidential candidate said at a Nov. 21 rally in Birmingham, Ala. "And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering."

The next day, ABC This Week host George Stephanopoulos asked Trump if he misspoke, noting that "the police say that didn't happen."

Trump -- who has said he was in his Manhattan apartment the morning of the attack -- doubled down.

"It was on television. I saw it," Trump said. "It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don't like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good."

Rroff · 23 Jun 2018 at 16:35

Tefal said:
also im not sure what the sismic result of something like WTC 1 &2 falling down nearby are but i bets its not great for structural integrity

wtc7.net said:
The North Tower collapse was the largest seismic source and had local magnitude ML 2.3. From this we infer that ground shaking of the WTC towers was not a major contributor to the collapse or damage to surrounding buildings, but unfortunately we also conclude that from the distance at which our own detections were made (the nearest station is 34 km away at Palisades, N.Y.) it is not possible to infer (with detail sufficient to meet the demands of civil engineers in an emergency situation) just what the near-in ground motions must have been.

GGizmo · 23 Jun 2018 at 16:36

Tefal said:
well thats your selection bias, as a cT you're gonna see the jew story, non CTs saw the arabs partying on the roofs story.

What is a CT ? Oh, you mean conspiracy theorist?

What makes you think I'm a "CT"?

For asking questions about the WTC7 ?

Tefal · 23 Jun 2018 at 16:37

Rroff said:
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yep i made that post before perusing the nist report and so made guesses.

it was the fire, that went untackled letting the fire protection fail.

Tefal · 23 Jun 2018 at 16:38

BowdonUK said:
What is a CT ?

conspiracy theorist.

Rroff · 23 Jun 2018 at 16:38

Tefal said:
yep i made that post before perusing the nist report and so made guesses.

it was the fire, that went untackled letting the fire protection fail.

They can't say conclusively it didn't aid in bringing down WTC7 as there isn't high enough resolution data close to the event but the forces measured generally aren't thought to be significant enough.

GGizmo · 23 Jun 2018 at 16:43

Tefal said:
conspiracy theorist.

I edited my post when the penny dropped what a CT was lol.. I was slow

I updated it with;

What makes you think I'm a "CT"?

For asking questions about the WTC7 ?

Tefal · 23 Jun 2018 at 16:46

BowdonUK said:
I edited my post when the penny dropped what a CT was lol.. I was slow

I updated it with;

What makes you think I'm a "CT"?

For asking questions about the WTC7 ?

nope your general phrasing and the fact that i know you never even opened the nist report but will continute to "ask questions" despite there being a fairly comprehensive engineering report of very readable length at your fingertips as it has been for the past 17 years

Tefal · 23 Jun 2018 at 16:47

Rroff said:
They can't say conclusively it didn't aid in bringing down WTC7 as there isn't high enough resolution data close to the event but the forces measured generally aren't thought to be significant enough.

true it was an off hand guess at solutions before a brief reading of the nist conclusions.

my main surprise from the report was that the debris and huge impact damage wasn't considered a cause.

in my mind that had always been the major factor.

this has beena fun thread, i've actualy learned a fair bit so fgar.

Rroff · 23 Jun 2018 at 16:55

TBH I find events of that day dubious though I wouldn't want to forward or ascribe to any particular theory. As I've mentioned before my dad had two people from his company due in a fairly high level international trade/standards conference that day in the building which was cancelled on short notice with no explanation (though later rumoured to be related to the Russian and Saudi representatives pulling out citing security concerns) given how hard it is to get all the people together it would normally take something pretty extraordinary to cancel it.

I still remember him slumped in the hall with all the phones he could get trying to contact people not knowing the meetings had been cancelled and thinking they were probably in the towers.

I was playing Quake 3 on voice comms at the time it happened with a friend whose apartment had a full view of what was happening and several times British media reported things as happened, with details, before he saw it unfolding - that was really odd and spooky and hard to explain even with the normal confusion surrounding such events.

Tefal · 23 Jun 2018 at 16:57

Rroff said:
TBH I find events of that day dubious though I wouldn't want to forward or ascribe to any particular theory. As I've mentioned before my dad had two people from his company due in a fairly high level international trade/standards conference that day in the building which was cancelled on short notice with no explanation (though later rumoured to be related to the Russian and Saudi representatives pulling out citing security concerns) given how hard it is to get all the people together it would normally take something pretty extraordinary to cancel it.

I still remember him slumped in the hall with all the phones he could get trying to contact people not knowing the meetings had been cancelled and thinking they were probably in the towers.

I was playing Quake 3 on voice comms at the time it happened with a friend whose apartment had a full view of what was happening and several times British media reported things as happened, with details, before he saw it unfolding - that was really odd and spooky and hard to explain even with the normal confusion surrounding such events.

well there were sectuity reports about the possibility iirc, they just weren't taken seriously.

best theories ive seen have been around the lack of air force response due to training exercises.

its far less of a conspiracy and more a case of incompetence though

GGizmo · 23 Jun 2018 at 18:19

Tefal said:
nope your general phrasing and the fact that i know you never even opened the nist report but will continute to "ask questions" despite there being a fairly comprehensive engineering report of very readable length at your fingertips as it has been for the past 17 years

Or maybe I accepted the answer you give previously? If you notice I didn't reply to it because you could be right.

I think a conspiracy theorist is someone who reads far more in to something than there actually is. I think they do this because not all information as been revealed. So people fill in the gaps.

I could apply the CT tag to you when you brought up arabs celebrating 9/11. I would say that is a conspiracy line that you've pushed so far. I was just asking about WTC7.

Tefal · 23 Jun 2018 at 18:24

BowdonUK said:
Or maybe I accepted the answer you give previously? If you notice I didn't reply to it because you could be right.

I think a conspiracy theorist is someone who reads far more in to something than there actually is. I think they do this because not all information as been revealed. So people fill in the gaps.

I could apply the CT tag to you when you brought up arabs celebrating 9/11. I would say that is a conspiracy line that you've pushed so far. I was just asking about WTC7.

Arabs celebrating 9/11 was a conspiracy though ^_^
It wa sproved to be false and false videos used to support the idea that Arabs in New Jersey celebrates it.

It was a purposeful effort to spread a lie same as the news not going into work was

GGizmo · 23 Jun 2018 at 18:39

Tefal said:
Arabs celebrating 9/11 was a conspiracy though ^_^
It wa sproved to be false and false videos used to support the idea that Arabs in New Jersey celebrates it.

It was a purposeful effort to spread a lie same as the news not going into work was

Yes I agree. I remember that happening as well. I assumed it was countering the jews celebrating 9/11 conspiracy. I didn't say I believed the jewish or arab version for the reasons you've said.

I didn't bring either the jews/arabs in to the conversation

Sankari · 23 Jun 2018 at 21:55

Bloody hell, another one.

Rroff said:
TBH I find events of that day dubious

Examples?

As I've mentioned before my dad had two people from his company due in a fairly high level international trade/standards conference that day in the building which was cancelled on short notice with no explanation (though later rumoured to be related to the Russian and Saudi representatives pulling out citing security concerns) given how hard it is to get all the people together it would normally take something pretty extraordinary to cancel it.

OK, so let's follow this through.

* the people organising the conference somehow (?!) learn that the Twin Towers will be attacked by terrorists
* instead of telling the authorities, they say 'Oh well, we'll just cancel the conference'
* they're not troubled by the fact that thousands of people will die as a result of their failure to warn anyone

:rolleyes:

Rroff · 23 Jun 2018 at 22:14

Evangelion said:
Bloody hell, another one.

Examples?

OK, so let's follow this through.

* the people organising the conference somehow (?!) learn that the Twin Towers will be attacked by terrorists
* instead of telling the authorities, they say 'Oh well, we'll just cancel the conference'
* they're not troubled by the fact that thousands of people will die as a result of their failure to warn anyone

What an idiotic post that isn't what I'm implying at all - obviously people like that aren't going to be in the know if there was some conspiracy but there might be reasons why if there was some conspiracy (which I'm not saying there is) why those carrying it out wouldn't want certain people becoming victims who would bring a whole lot of scrutiny with them.

My implication was (very loosely) that someone higher up had found some reason to cancel it not that anyone involved cancelled it because they'd become aware of a plot - though subsequently it seems likely the reason why it was cancelled was due to certain foreign representatives pulling out citing security concerns.

Tefal · 23 Jun 2018 at 23:25

Evangelion said:
Bloody hell, another one.

Examples?

OK, so let's follow this through.

* the people organising the conference somehow (?!) learn that the Twin Towers will be attacked by terrorists
* instead of telling the authorities, they say 'Oh well, we'll just cancel the conference'
* they're not troubled by the fact that thousands of people will die as a result of their failure to warn anyone

Well it was supoidly Saudi funneded terorists with most coming from said it could simply be a tip off in his case doesn't even have to Inevolve them all just one guy pulling out to collapse it.

The other fact being the security concerns which were mentioned at the time.
Could even be the insurnace company demanding they nott travel when there's alerts lol

dowie · 24 Jun 2018 at 00:58

Rroff said:
TBH I find events of that day dubious though I wouldn't want to forward or ascribe to any particular theory. As I've mentioned before my dad had two people from his company due in a fairly high level international trade/standards conference that day in the building which was cancelled on short notice with no explanation (though later rumoured to be related to the Russian and Saudi representatives pulling out citing security concerns) given how hard it is to get all the people together it would normally take something pretty extraordinary to cancel it.

The thing is with stuff like that is it just smacks of fake news etc.. What was the name of the conference for example? Do you have any links re: high level conference being cancelled on 9/11? I mean just following through that sort of thing could give an actual explanation of why (assuming it actually happened) this conference was cancelled.

There has been so much attention paid to this event - who was in the building, who was supposed to be in the building that day (all sorts of people sharing their lucky escape stories) - if an entire conference escaped death then that is certainly of interest in general. If there were rumours about it then that is of interest to conspiracy theorists.

I don't doubt that your dad was worried about colleagues in NYC that day btw nor am I questioning your recollection of him calling people. But the conference thing and rumour about it being cancelled for security reasons sounds very dubious and would be the sort of thing that would provoke interest.