Star Wars VIII : The Last Jedi [WARNING: SPOILERS]

How about this - as the strongest Jedi, Yoda has gained powers that no other force "ghost" has?

Either way it added yet another unnecessary element into the Lore for absolute no benefit other than to cause strife, just like hyper-space being used as a weapon, hyper-space tracking, Jedi image projection etc. :(
 
ianh said:
How about this - as the strongest Jedi, Yoda has gained powers that no other force "ghost" has?

Either way it added yet another unnecessary element into the Lore for absolute no benefit other than to cause strife, just like hyper-space being used as a weapon, hyper-space tracking, Jedi image projection etc. :(
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Midichlorians?....

Yoda wasn't the strongest Jedi according to 'lore', Anakin was.
 
zola25 said:
That's one of the scenes that I feel has dated poorly too, although to be fair that's likely due to suffering in comparison with many that still look excellent. I'd hoped one of the newer revisions would have improved this, but apparently it was more important to add digital eyelids to Ewoks.
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Personally the bit I'd like to see updated is the death of Garven Dreis (Red Leader). When his x-wing crashes into the Death Star it's so obviously a scale model that it really sticks out.
 
checjb said:
Personally the bit I'd like to see updated is the death of Garven Dreis (Red Leader). When his x-wing crashes into the Death Star it's so obviously a scale model that it really sticks out.
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You don't even see the x wing actually impact, just a moving shot of a random explosion :p That part always looked a bit hokey with regard to how it looked, it just looked like a model as opposed to the rest of it.
 
Skunkworks said:
My thoughts now I've seen it a few times and read others opinions:

Luke

Ruined and wasted. It’s Luke freakin Skywalker, and he’s given so little time and presence! Him throwing the saber away was ridiculous. I could understand if he was really emotional and dropped it and walked away.

His death was done well I thought. Very poignant with the binary sunset in the background and The Binary Sunset music.
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yeah it sums up a lot of the film, too many gags. it just pulls you out of the film when you are getting immersed
it's not Deadpool , we don't need gag after gag
i watched it again last night and don't think i'll be going back to it
i'm sure younger audiences will enjoy it and hopefully they will have fond memories of these new ones

i didn't go to the new Solo film at the cinema and won't be going to any other star wars films
i'll watch at home but i'm done with them at the theatre
 
^IMO Solo was a decent film and very much worth watching, unlike TLJ it respects the source material. Although TFA was decent enough so far the standalone episodes have been the best of the Disney films.
 
Never seen Escape from LA, but this youtube video showing that the ending of TLJ was a copy of that film, seems to be doing the rounds now.


I think they've probably edited down both videos to prove the point, but pile on the hate, It's fine by me :D
 
pitkin said:
Never seen Escape from LA, but this youtube video showing that the ending of TLJ was a copy of that film, seems to be doing the rounds now.


I think they've probably edited down both videos to prove the point, but pile on the hate, It's fine by me :D
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Obviously edited up to match as much as possible - but it would be hard to argue it wasn't an inspiration - not the first time I've seen people claim the movie borrows heavily from John Carpenter's work.

As an aside when I saw "Escape from LA" in the post I automatically read your username as Plissken (main character) which was kind of bizarre.
 
Rather than watch that video, I went on YouTube and watched the ending of Escape from LA (10 minutes long)

Other than the use of a hologram/projection there's nothing similar at all.

Someone turning out to be a hologram is nothing new. Total Recall did it, Star Trek First Contact did it.
 
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VincentHanna said:
Rather than watch that video, I went on YouTube and watched the ending (10 minutes long)

Other than the use of a hologram/projection there's nothing similar at all.

Someone turning out to be a hologram is nothing new. Total Recall did it, Star Trek First Contact did it.
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Should have watched the video - albeit it has been cut to emphasise the point but the camera edits and framing are pretty much identical, the position of people and other elements in the scenes are way too close to be coincidence with so many matches it's more than just using a hologram as a gag.
 
I have now - It's not identical at all.

In one a helicopter explodes, the other shows the base door on fire.

Next you have Plisken walking toward the camera away from the fire vs Luke walking away from the camera towards the First Order

Next you have soldiers fanning out around Plisken vs AT-M6 walkers in a line miles away from Luke

People are seeing stuff that isn't there

 
Rroff said:
Should have watched the video - albeit it has been cut to emphasise the point but the camera edits and framing are pretty much identical, the position of people and other elements in the scenes are way too close to be coincidence with so many matches it's more than just using a hologram as a gag.
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The reason the camera edits and framing look the same is because there a certain ways scenes should be edited and framed. If they weren't similar, then that would just mean one of the films was poorly edited and framed. Film riot has a whole sequence of tutorials on it.
 
amigafan2003 said:
The reason the camera edits and framing look the same is because there a certain ways scenes should be edited and framed. If they weren't similar, then that would just mean one of the films was poorly edited and framed. Film riot has a whole sequence of tutorials on it.
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There are "golden" rules, etc. but there isn't one valid way to do it and everything else is wrong and there are so many possible ways you could approach a scene like that - on its own it doesn't mean much but in combination with the other elements it makes it being purely coincidence unlikely.

EDIT: I was also using the phrasing fairly broadly not just the technical side of it but the approach with camera work, etc. in general.
 
What I meant was, there is a generally accepted (and indeed taught) "recommended" way of doing it, and both films happen to fit that "recommended" way, which is why on the surface it looks like one has copied the other.

There are lot of Youtube "look at this film copying another" clips - do you REALLY think films are copying other films, or is it just that MOST films tend to follow the recommended process? I've written an essay on it, and in the vast majority of cases, it's the latter.
 
amigafan2003 said:
What I meant was, there is a generally accepted (and indeed taught) "recommended" way of doing it, and both films happen to fit that "recommended" way, which is why on the surface it looks like one has copied the other.

There are lot of Youtube "look at this film copying another" clips - do you REALLY think films are copying other films, or is it just that MOST films tend to follow the recommended process? I've written an essay on it, and in the vast majority of cases, it's the latter.
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Over the whole span of those two endings though there is multiple ways they could have approached it even sticking to textbook application of techniques. I mean several aspects in general are almost a tribute to the ending to suggest it wasn't an inspiration I think is more of a leap than suggesting it was an inspiration. In some ways it isn't that unusual it is so hard to do something truly original these days and many many movies have borrowed heavily from others in a completely legitimate way.
 
I watched RotS last night on ITV2. It just highlighted how bad TLJ is. There is such a sense of dread, the scope is massive, characters actually have purpose and development, and on and on. The ending (of the whole prequel trilogy) is a mix of sadness (Padme's funeral) and hope (in the form of Luke & Leia). Compare that to the end of TLJ where everyone is smiling and clapping each other on the shoulder about the fact that a handful barely escaped a slaughter, the First Order is free to run rampant and the entire rebellion now fits comfortably onto the Millennium Falcon.
Such a wasted opportunity.
 
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