Boris and the burka

kedge said:
Would it not be best to put aside juvenility and pave the way to constructive criticism?
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Why not both?

It is the way he is, he's flippant about all sorts of subjects, I don't see why this item of clothing needs him to change how he'd usually talk/write just because of an association to a religion.
 
D.P. said:
Actually, you can question and criticize it.
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Ideas (and that's all *any* religion is) should be open to criticism and ridicule, without exception. We all know that some groups are above criticism these days for fear of reprisals from their less mentally stable contingent.
 
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Caracus2k said:
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For example the texts of Islam state that the religions prophet took a night time trip from the Arabian peninsula to Jerusalem on a winged horse.
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The Bible and the Old Testament on the other hand contain absolutely no stupid tales about water and wine, loaves and fishes, the lame winning Come Dancing, etc., etc., etc.

All holy scripture makes Tolkein and Rowling look credible.
 
stockhausen said:
The Bible and the Old Testament on the other hand contain absolutely no stupid tales about water and wine, loaves and fishes, the lame winning Come Dancing, etc., etc., etc.

All holy scripture makes Tolkein and Rowling look credible.
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The Bible doesn't have passages promising 72 virgins for dying a martyr either. But Muhammad did slice the moon in half - Jesus never preformed any off-world miracles, clearly an amateur with no defined strategy for dealing with orbiting balls of rock...pffft.
 
Caracus2k said:
Without people threatening to kill you or actually doing so?

Charlie Hebdo

Danish cartoons

Salman Rushdie




Etc
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Erm. Charlie Hebdo and danish cartoonists aren't exactly the pinnacle of religious criticism. They are comedians desperate to make money.

I have personally criticised Islam on many occasions and I have yet to be threatened with death lol. Maybe because I post actual rational arguments as opposed to comedic cartoons or other money making stuff.
 
dl8860 said:
Please post a hypothetical criticism of the prophet mohammed that you'd be happy to stand on a soapbox in Damascus and shout yourself.
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Why does your idea of criticism of Islam have to take place in the most extreme possible way? Because you know there are ways to criticise things in less extreme ways.

You could say the same about extreme Christians and homosexuality. Don't you remember when top gear tried that they got the same death threats.
 
enkoda said:
But Muhammad did slice the moon in half - .
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The prophet never claimed to split the moon in half.

I swear the Right as bad as the extreme muslims for mis interpreting the religion.

In terms of criticism, criticise away, but theres a sensible respectful way of debating or criticising, and then theres the offensive way, if you want to engage with 1.6b with a view of changing or challenging them, then dont try and be an arse when conversing with them, which is what the likes of Hebdo have been doing.
 
Tinders said:
The prophet never claimed to split the moon in half.

I swear the Right as bad as the extreme muslims for mis interpreting the religion.
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Quite. The sooner we stop trying to frame this like a problem with religion, and see it as a problem with lazy-thinking the better.

Lazy thinkers will latch on to whatever nearby cause assures them their entitlement is justified. For some that's Islamist extremism, for others it's the alt-right movement.

It's inefficient to try and differentiate.better to look at the common root causes.
 
Tinders said:
The prophet never claimed to split the moon in half.
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Well if you are being a pedant a lot of Muslims dont claim that it was the prophet himself.....

QUESTION

Is it true Muhammad split moon into to halves? Is this merely a hearsay? Or is this accepted as fact by Muslims?

ANSWER
Short answer: Yes, we believe it is a fact that the moon was split during the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings upon him). It is a miracle that was given to him when some people asked for a ‘sign’. Muhammad did not split the moon himself; the Creator of the moon is The One who split the moon. This incident was mentioned in The Quran and sound hadiths.
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Quaran 54:1 -2 Al-Qamar

The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two].

And if they see a miracle, they turn away and say, "Passing magic."
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From the Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari 3638

The moon was split into two parts during the lifetime of the Prophet.
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But in the practical sense the story is recounted as a show to demonstrate God's existence and power to some unbelievers in the prophets presence so I am going to file your comment under fake news as willfully misleading.
 
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Tinders said:
The prophet never claimed to split the moon in half.

I swear the Right as bad as the extreme muslims for mis interpreting the religion.

In terms of criticism, criticise away, but theres a sensible respectful way of debating or criticising, and then theres the offensive way, if you want to engage with 1.6b with a view of changing or challenging them, then dont try and be an arse when conversing with them, which is what the likes of Hebdo have been doing.
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I don't think anyone knows how to interpret it lol. It's not like it makes much logical sense when you read any of the texts.
 
Narj said:
Great, please post a critical analysis of each religion, along with your home address and see who comes knocking at your door with pitchforks or worse.

One crowd of nutters will probably be the Westboro Baptist Church. I'll give you one guess who the other lot will be. Or at least who they will claim to be. :p

Ideas (and that's all *any* religion is) should be open to criticism and ridicule, without exception.
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Tinders said:
The prophet never claimed to split the moon in half.

I swear the Right as bad as the extreme muslims for mis interpreting the religion.

In terms of criticism, criticise away, but theres a sensible respectful way of debating or criticising, and then theres the offensive way, if you want to engage with 1.6b with a view of changing or challenging them, then dont try and be an arse when conversing with them, which is what the likes of Hebdo have been doing.
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It's also incredible that the brush is so broad, out of 1.6b Muslims the proportion of them that wear the most strict of cultural wear is absolutely horrifically tiny.
 
StriderX said:
It's also incredible that the brush is so broad, out of 1.6b Muslims the proportion of them that wear the most strict of cultural wear is absolutely horrifically tiny.
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Well even in the worst case scenario you can pretty much halve that 1.6bn figure as there rarely seems to be an issue with the male adherents of the religions religious/ cultural clothing and the degree to which cultural/ family pressures are at play in choices made.

I am sure plenty of people have seen veilled women accompanied by their partners or male relatives often wearing 'western' clothing.

Quite rare to see the reverse?
 
enkoda said:
Are you on about me or religion, because you've just described religion perfectly.
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Religion, and all the other movements, tribes, groupings or whatever that indulge, co-opt, radicalise, and then weaponise the entitled attitude of the unthinking.

It's fallacious extremism we need to be looking at, not how it manifests itself in any one particular subset of society.
 
Caracus2k said:
Well even in the worst case scenario you can pretty much halve that 1.6bn figure as there rarely seems to be an issue with the male adherents of the religions religious/ cultural clothing and the degree to which cultural/ family pressures are at play in choices made.

I am sure plenty of people have seen veilled women accompanied by their partners or male relatives often wearing 'western' clothing.

Quite rare to see the reverse?
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Exactly, if you look at old photo's from the late 19th and early 20th century Islamic areas you will see most men with various types of turbans and other types of head coverings, but modern men don't want the discomfort of always covering their head but still insist their women do.

Look here at the strict rules for correct dress for both Islamic men & women and how men must not look at another mans willy :rolleyes:

https://www.al-islam.org/code-ethics-muslim-men-and-women-sayyid-masud-masumi/rules-related-covering
 
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