Have you considered an Auris?
Kia Optima is another you could look at, as I'm guessing things like the Merc C300h/C350e or Volvo V60 TEH are out of your 'budget'
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Kia Optima is another you could look at, as I'm guessing things like the Merc C300h/C350e or Volvo V60 TEH are out of your 'budget'
The company I work for buys its company cars nearly new unfortunately and used Optimas seem very few and far between. I don't have a budget as such but judging by previous cars to my salary grade (Focus Zetec and Passat S) any hybrid will probably be deemed too expensive.I've also been told I can't have an allowance (no explanation of why not) so I'm totally stuck really. Anyway, sorry for the OT
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Never driven never mind owned a Prius.
But I can guarantee you for our useage a hybrid is not only far more economical, itsi also far more reliable and it's cheaper to run and saves the planet.
However you like to quote out of context so I don't expect any meaningful reply.
I remain to be convinced on how building a new hybrid car which creates more pollution during production than a petrol car saves the planet when your existing car is perfectly serviceable and uses a similar amount of fuel.
There must be a break even point, but I'll continue to run my EU3 diesel until it dies, or there's a massive financial incentive to replace it. If I'm banned from driving it in city centres due to particulates or NOx then so be it, I'll happily use public transport.
There must be a break even point, but I'll continue to run my EU3 diesel until it dies, or there's a massive financial incentive to replace it. If I'm banned from driving it in city centres due to particulates or NOx then so be it, I'll happily use public transport.
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diesel pollutes more than petrol for a start.
also if your diesel is on it's last legs or costing you £2K in repairs every year. then buying a hybrid makes sense.
also you don't need to buy a "brand new" hybrid car. you could just chop and change and buy one that's already been produced therefore zero production pollution. unless you think your current diesel also had production pollution and are using that as a base mark.
It's not entirely accurate to say diesel pollutes more than petrol.
Diesel cars tend to produce less co2 per mile driven than petrol. They may however produce more of other chemicals. Again not always true though as motorbikes for example can produce more of these than diesel cars.
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i'd like to see what old diesels are putting out. there was an old 330d on the motorway and it was driving aggressively nipping in and out of lanes. every time it put it's foot down there was a huge plume of smoke which was as if someone was burning tyres in the middle of the motorway. the car had vanished into the horizon and 5 minutes later you could still see the smoke as well as smell and taste it.
do diesels not get worse over time more so than petrols? i know there are some diesels which have been looked after that don't but those that haven't are much worse than petrols that haven't.
I doubt it will be more reliable than an old 1.9TDI, one of the most reliable engines you can get. It also did 55mpg round town and 75mpg on a run.
It is probably a lot better for the environment though I grant you!
Sorry, didn't mean to derail. Was just surprised a Prius only gets 50MPG in the city.
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you got any magic beans for sale too?
You're equating pollution with visible smog. It's the invisible pollutants which can be equally (or more) harmful - that's for both petrol and diesel mind you!
What you might have seen is someone who's had their diesel particulate filter removed or had a fairly aggressive remap, or both! Plus driving like he did it may well just be a tatty old poorly maintained barge.
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a lot of people have removed the dpf though. you see it on every forum. just bought a diesel first thing i'm going to do is remap, remove the dpf and block off the egr.
so therefore they end up polluting a lot more than their "official figures" suggest
Certainly true. But that doesn't mean that diesels are inherently more polluting. Just that the people driving them are.
I can believe it. The old PD TDIs are more economical than the modern DPF diesels. I’ve seen 60mpg brim to brim doing 400 mile return motorway trips in a Fabia vRS on fat sticky tyres.
It’s not on it last legs, only has 40k on it. I commute on foot. Owned from new. Scheduled maintenance only and a brake calliper so far. I understand that most vehicles of a similar age are not in similar condition.
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Then you'll rightly fail the MOT.
It wasn't even PD, older engine than that. 90HP, single fuel pump. Same as you'll find in an Audi 80! Can also run on chip fat without modification.
Octy came in both. Mention the PD as that’s what the Fabia vRS has...
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Well it is. Any it’s legal now, and ready for the future unlike non DPF diesels.
Plus apples for apples needs an auto with that size of car... oh and only one sounds like a tractor driving around an orchard.
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Did you miss dieselgate and the short dosing of adblue to control Nox? Can’t remember which city it was that exceeded its annual level in 4 days.
I’ll take tractor noise over the incessant drone of a CVT auto.
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You don’t hear that in normal driving or indeed those days you leave at 6:30am and the neighbour think their milk is being delivered late...