Vega 64 or Nvidia 1080

Davanius · 24 Aug 2018 at 20:26

passifid said:
Gigabyte amd cards are an absolute joke. Also for 144hz 1080ti is better. Vrr is far more useful at low FPS then at hogh

It's not about the amount of frames but rather matching monitor and gpu Hz output. Thus the resulting tear free and judder free experience.

Davanius · 24 Aug 2018 at 20:28

Jed Shields said:
I'll eventually be water cooling it, so is Powercolor still worth the extra?

In my opinion yes for a possibly higher resale value.

A quick edit. Panos said there isn't a water cooler for this card. Credit to Panos.

Panos · 24 Aug 2018 at 20:50

Davanius said:
I kept disabling Freesync yesterday to see if I could go without it and......Nah, it's just too good.

I was using a GTX1080Ti Xtreme for 10 months with my Freesync monitor because the FuryX couldn't cut it on TWW2, while Stellaris & HOI IV has issues with Vega cards. (PDX engine issue).

The moment these were resolved I jump ship and went from 1080Ti to Vega 64. I haven't looked back.

I rather have 120 fps with Freesync (at 240W lol), than 175 fps and a screen full of tearing. (vsync no option due to input lag).

Especially some games inside towns, like WOT the whole environment was moving like a fast slideshow. (WOT doesn't have move blurring)
With the Vega 64 + Freesync is smooth and fluid.

And also we have much much better monitors, not only well prices, than Gsync, and new ones coming out also.
35" 4K HDR 60hz? Yes, at £450.
43" 4H HDR1000 10bit 60hz? Yes at < £700
ultrawide 3440x1440 100hz HDR at reasonable price sure.
55-65" HDR TV with Freesync? Yes at £1000+

And some new ones... HDR600 UW 3440x1440 144hz with 98% DCI and Freesync2? Yep. In few weeks time.

(same applies to 2560x1440).

And there is a whole range of good monitos like those made by Pixio. 2560x1440 144hz for peanuts relatively, if someone wants second rate Samsung panel.

Panos · 24 Aug 2018 at 20:52

benjo said:
Just went for the Vega 64, got some change left over so if I sell my Fury I should be able to get a nice Freesync screen too

Good one mate. Just make sure it covers the whole range from 33/48hz to the maximum hz.
Because there are some cheap crap ones out there also.

Panos · 24 Aug 2018 at 20:55

cwhitehead said:
I'm in a similar boat, i have a freesync Monitor and now time to decide on card - Evga 1080TI or Vega 64. reading these comments makes me thing the 64 would be worth it?

Yes mate. Get the power color red devil. OCUK has it for £450 and worth the extra money (£10) over the Gigabyte one. Is far superior card, next to the Nitro+.

Panos · 24 Aug 2018 at 21:03

Jed Shields said:
I'll eventually be water cooling it, so is Powercolor still worth the extra?

144Hz 1080ti better... not sure what you mean? Do you mean £144 extra? If so, £450 really is my maximum budget.

There's an MSI 1080 for £424 at the moment as well, so that's in the running. Any thoughts?

No. Don't buy the Red Devil as it doesn't have watercooler.

Nitro+ has block for it (made by Bykski) otherwise try to find a MSI Aero. The latter is reference board.
However the Red Devil has a very impressive cooler. If you tune your card properly (see here) you can do 240W-260W overclock beating a watercooled GTX1080 @ 2164 without noise.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/32057078/

And I will post better OC settings if I get time over the weekend otherwise next weeked. As I am starting new job at Briston on Tuesday and until I find a house there to set up my PC, I will be using the laptop

willhub said:
I thought AMD had better drivers considering rumours I hear NV cripple older cards in drivers?

Sure.... That is why on dark web (Steam) there are posts for games showing 398.36 has greater performance than all subsequent drivers.
And in some games like Monster Hunt World that is 15-20fps for Maxwel & Pascal cards. Especially those with GTX970/980/980Ti suffering greatly with all later drivers.

Davanius · 24 Aug 2018 at 21:05

Panos said:
I was using a GTX1080Ti Xtreme for 10 months with my Freesync monitor because the FuryX couldn't cut it on TWW2, while Stellaris & HOI IV has issues with Vega cards. (PDX engine issue).

I had a Gsync Rog Swift TN with my 1080ti so I was always used to smooth gaming and before that a Dell 2417DG. I took a break from PC gaming and sold my 1080ti to help fund a 4K TV. I lasted 2 months.

I bought a Samsung HG70 for an amazing price in a sale which I couldn't turn down after previously using the 24CFG73. So I decided to give Vega a try and I'm glad I did.

I don't miss my 1080ti due to the combination of this monitor and Freesync, plus overclocking was too much fun on this card.

No more TN's for me either.

Panos · 24 Aug 2018 at 21:07

Davanius said:
I had a Gsync Rog Swift TN with my 1080ti so I was always used to smooth gaming and before that a Dell 2417DG. I took a break from PC gaming and sold my 1080ti to help fund a 4K TV. I lasted 2 months.

I bought a Samsung HG70 for an amazing price in a sale which I couldn't turn down after previously using the 24CFG73. So I decided to give Vega a try and I'm glad I did.

I don't miss my 1080ti due to the combination of this monitor and Freesync, plus overclocking was too much fun on this card.

No more TN's for me either.

I am on TN monitor tell me about it -_-
At least there is solace when connecting the system to the bedroom Freesync TV (55NU8000)

Davanius · 24 Aug 2018 at 21:27

Panos said:
I am on TN monitor tell me about it -_-
At least there is solace when connecting the system to the bedroom Freesync TV (55NU8000)

My apologies Panos. I meant no disrespect.

The TNs that I had was supposed to be high end TNs but hardly anyone talked about the banding that was noticeable. Lack of colour wasn't helped either by Nvidia's image quality. As soon as you used the digital vibrance you would increase the banding.

Panos · 24 Aug 2018 at 21:38

Davanius said:
My apologies Panos. I meant no disrespect.

The TNs that I had was supposed to be high end TNs but hardly anyone talked about the banding that was noticeable. Lack of colour wasn't helped either by Nvidia's image quality. As soon as you used the digital vibrance you would increase the banding.

Disrespect nah. Always making self sarcasm...

and feel free.

Talking about image quality. Did you realise how better the environments look with the Vega? Especially games with a lot of bushes and trees (like WOT) at same maximum settings?
That was the first thing observed when switched in July, because it was impossible to aim accurately behind bushes as couldn't see the targets any more.

Same applied to Paris map in WOT. The windows mirroring across all the housing is mesmerizing. Yet on the GTX1080Ti card look dull without reflections.
(same applies to the laptop GTX1060 with all settings maxed out).

Davanius · 24 Aug 2018 at 21:48

AMD would rather render scenes properly and lose frames while Nvidia does the opposite. The colour differences are obvious though.

LoadsaMoney · 24 Aug 2018 at 21:51

Panos said:
Yes mate. Get the power color red devil. OCUK has it for £450 and worth the extra money (£10) over the Gigabyte one. Is far superior card, next to the Nitro+.

This

Jed Shields · 24 Aug 2018 at 22:09

Panos said:
No. Don't buy the Red Devil as it doesn't have watercooler.

Nitro+ has block for it (made by Bykski) otherwise try to find a MSI Aero. The latter is reference board.
However the Red Devil has a very impressive cooler. If you tune your card properly (see here) you can do 240W-260W overclock beating a watercooled GTX1080 @ 2164 without noise.
.

Looks like the Gigabyte doesn't have a block either...?

Panos · 24 Aug 2018 at 23:01

Jed Shields said:
Looks like the Gigabyte doesn't have a block either...?

The custom AIB cards that have blocks are Nitro (Bykski) and the Strix (EK, Bykski etc) but the card is the worst V64 of them all. Even the reference.
Of all the reference designs the only you can find in UK is the MSI Aero Boost and has waterblocks by everyone.

Lokken86 · 24 Aug 2018 at 23:43

Davanius said:
Moving the mouse around in say Titanfall 2 where the blending of frames just make it silky. Even leaves and animations benefit from it.

I was getting approx 100fps on that game so I tried vsync with triple buffering, adaptive sync and no sync at all. None of them was as nice to look at even with frames that high.

There may be no point in me going back to a 1080ti as even with higher fps, it won't look as smooth. And there's no way I would swap the Samsung monitor that I have for a Gsync TN or play the lottery with a Gsync IPS. I also don't miss the colour banding on the gsync monitors that I have had.

The AMD driver package has proper colour settings as opposed to digital vibrance and overclocking software built in, not to forget AMD has better image quality imo.

I would opt for the Vega 64 or 56 over a 1080.

The new LG 850 Gsync monitor is pretty good though but I would then miss Quantum Dot deep colours.

Thanks for that. I thought you could only tell if it was like sub 40fps. Interesting though.

Shiari · 24 Aug 2018 at 23:58

Panos said:
No. Don't buy the Red Devil as it doesn't have watercooler.

Alphacool are making a block for it, the "Alphacool NexXxos GPX - AMD RX Vega M02". It's listed on some sites, nowhere in stock though with no known date. But according to a reply from Alphacool it should be available in 6 to 8 weeks.

Ezyryder · 25 Aug 2018 at 00:28

Jed Shields said:
I thought they both had 2 years...?

https://www.gigabyte.com/uk/Support/Warranty/Graphics-Card

Panos · 25 Aug 2018 at 00:44

Shiari said:
Alphacool are making a block for it, the "Alphacool NexXxos GPX - AMD RX Vega M02". It's listed on some sites, nowhere in stock though with no known date. But according to a reply from Alphacool it should be available in 6 to 8 weeks.

Indeed my fault. Shame they didn't have any in July

@Jed Shields yes there is block scheduled for the next couple of months for the Red Devil mate, my fault. Look at Shiari post above.

https://www.aquatuning.co.uk/water-...xos-gpx-amd-rx-vega-m02-incl.-backplate-black

Troezar · 25 Aug 2018 at 12:37

I'm thinking of selling my 1070 Gaming X and getting Vega 64. Is now a good time to sell and buy or wait for the 20XX cards to drop? Will the prices of the 1070 and Vegas 64 change once the next Nvidia gen. drops?

Medium term I'm thinking of the next upgrade to 7nm Ryzen and a Free sync 2 monitor.

JediFragger · 25 Aug 2018 at 13:14

Troezar said:
and a Free sync 2 monitor.

That would be the only reason that I'd consider a switch in your case, some games wouldn't see much of an increase at all.