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I never doubt that people believe that they've seen a ghost. But, a ghost is not something supernatural. It's a trick of the mind.
Ouija boards - don't mess with them
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I never doubt that people believe that they've seen a ghost. But, a ghost is not something supernatural. It's a trick of the mind.
I love the way all the disbelievers are so confident, almost to the point of patronising, that they know that anyone who has had a supernatural experience must be talking rubbish.
They explain how it's simply not possible, how it's all in the mind, that it can't be true because of this and that.
It's not like they're even prepared to sit on the fence and be open minded about it, it's a plain 'you're wrong and I'm right because science says so'.
It's impossible for anyone to say for sure that there aren't other dimensions and forces that exist beyond what man has knowledge of.
They explain how it's simply not possible, how it's all in the mind, that it can't be true because of this and that.
It's not like they're even prepared to sit on the fence and be open minded about it, it's a plain 'you're wrong and I'm right because science says so'.
It's impossible for anyone to say for sure that there aren't other dimensions and forces that exist beyond what man has knowledge of.
That's why I am always careful to say that I don't believe in it. What you have written there is precisely what religious people say to me about God. That I cant say for sure there is no God and that Jesus wasn't a divine entity who came to Earth as the son of God and performed miracles and that Mary wasn't impregnated by God rather than man etc. I always say the same to them too, that I don't believe in God or any of the associated entities or tales in the Bible. I'm not open minded about there being a God , a son of God, Satan or immaculate conception, or that we were all created by a God rather than evolution etc, and you are right, I'm not open minded about Ghosts, Spectres, Orcs, Elves, Magic, Vampires, Werewolves etc either.
Though I wish such things did exist because it would be more interesting than what there is.
EDIT : I should caveat that by saying , I would be willing to believe in God or Satan for example, if they were to absolutely categorically prove it, by perhaps appearing , right in the middle of the centre circle at Wembley during a football match in front of millions, or by appearing on live tv news broadcast in front of millions. By that I would mean clearly , not a wisp of smoke that looks a bit like a bearded old man or a red guy with a pitchfork, I mean absolutely clear and defined, touchable, viewable, audible, to millions (rather than a shape which looks a little like God/Satan from a certain angle - like those face of God in toast things)
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There is a very good reason for this. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So far there has been ZERO evidence of the super natural. No-one is able to prove it, only disprove.
You are of course welcome to believe in anything you want but without any evidence or repeatable events, you will be met with scepticism.
That's because all "supernatural" experiences that have ever been documented are all either rubbish (inconsistent and/or unreliable) or explainable using the knowledge and language that we have today. There is no supernatural.
The natural universe is already bonkers enough without taking what some people say about their own perceptions of it seriously. And by some people, I mean people that believe in ghosts and ghoulies. Wooooooo!!
I love the way creduloids are so confident, almost to the point of arrogance, that they know they are so special that they have had a supernatural experience.
They explain how it must be possible, how it can't be all in the mind, it must be true because of this and that (muh bruthers neva prank)
It's like they're not even prepared to be logical about it, it's a plain 'I'm right and you're wrong because my personal experience says so'
No one says for sure that there aren't other dimensions and forces that exist beyond what man has knowledge of...what do you think it is scientists do, if not look to uncover exactly those things?
Can't prove it, I agree. But how is anyone able to disprove something like this? Science can suggest all sorts of things like the subconscious is at work or kinetic energy or something similar. That's not hard proof, it's fact it's not proof at all.
I'm nowhere close to being arrogant in my posts. I'm just pointing out how quick people are to be dismissive of such things instead of trying to have an open mind. I'd be quite happy if my experience was either proved or disproved, I wouldn't feel any less a person for it not being a true supernatural happening.
And your last paragraph seems to be in agreement with me, so I'm not really sure what your post is trying to say.
Actually, it is quite trivial to scientifically research such things and prove it is nonsense:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija#Scientific_investigation
In keeping with my previous statement where I said I'd be happy if my experience was disproved, there's clearly a lot of sense in everything said on the page you linked, and it could well be that all I experienced is the ideomotor response. However, it says 'The ouija phenomenon is considered by the scientific community to be..'. Considered is not absolute proof.
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i'd look up Russell's teapot on that one
that is simply not true - the ouija board can and has been proved many times over to be a psychological phenomena.
It is you who has the closed mind here - closed to fact and empirical evidence.
Proved? Source for this proof please.
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I for one, welcome our spirit overlords.
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Because human beings can be incredibly delusional and great at making up stories....
Ouija boards are nonsense.
read up about the ideomotor action - its been well researched for over 150 years
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quija board was invented as a board game
IIRC the trademark is still owned by Hasbro.