No, not what it was intended for. I made it just to try and provide an overflow from the trans thread. Unfortunately, whilst I feel modern Feminism has lost it's way, threads like these always attract a few who don't seem to understand the difference between Feminism and Woman and just want to vent some bitterness towards women in general.
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No, not what it was intended for. I made it just to try and provide an overflow from the trans thread. Unfortunately, whilst I feel modern Feminism has lost it's way, threads like these always attract a few who don't seem to understand the difference between Feminism and Woman and just want to vent some bitterness towards women in general.
You could just actually read the examples given, you know? Women's March organizers in collaboration with the Nation of Islam has already been given as an example, the deafening silence by mainstream feminists when it comes to treatment of women in Islamic communities, the lack of support for women who were beaten up at an Islamic conference where open talks were held on how to beat your wives into submission, articles by mainstream feminists arguing how muslims are the true face of Islam, the huge overlap between modern feminists members and those of every other head of the Progressive hydra.
You could just go to some feminist meetings or spend a little time following modern feminists online and see this for yourself. But you wont. You're not interested.
No, we don't.
It does. Because we're not talking about same pay for the same job. That's already the law. Current arguments about the "pay gap" are in fact about an "earnings gap". Observations of different average earnings between men and women are not observations of different earnings in the same job. But the former is used to pretend the latter. The communist undertones come from people doing this to push for equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. Equality of Outcome is very much a communist approach to society.
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Got a source for this? All I could find (ironically) was one about feminists interrupting speeches.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/...s-who-do-should-be-praised-for-their-bravery/
That doesn't even make sense to me. Islam is the act of submitting to the will of God whereas a Muslim is person who participates in the act of submission.
It's a bit like saying Followers of Christ are the true face of Christianity...
Yes, those are the ones. You'd think two women who protested a conference where the announced topic was how much force to use in subjugating your wife, who were then beaten up by the attendees, would have provoked a little but more of an outcry amongst Feminists. But it did not. It quickly got buried because it conflicts with the general courting of Islam. Is there any reason that source isn't good enough for you? I mean, you asked, I gave you a bunch of answers and you picked one out, found it was actually a real thing, and then tried to spin it as not supporting my point. I clearly described the problem being the lack of support for these women, which your article is actually about. You do a very good impression of someone who just asks a bunch of rhetorical questions which are just thinly disguised attacks.
I mistyped. "True face of feminism" is what it should read.
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The article isn't about lack of support for those particular women though. The author is saying she wishes more people would make that sort of stand.
Also you said the conference had "open talks were held about how to beat your wife in to submission" but the actual article states the opposite
Also you said the conference had "open talks were held about how to beat your wife in to submission" but the actual article states the opposite
I think most right minded people want there to be equality for women. But there always seems to be ideological groups that hijack good causes to push extreme agendas to cause trouble. So people end up getting in to an argument with the ideologues rather than actually solving the original problem.
And more than a few who don't seem to understand the difference between feminism and women and treat criticism of feminism as criticism of women.
Whereas I think that all right minded people want there to be equality for people regardless of their sex. The idea that equality should only be for the "right" sex or the "right" race or whatever is very obviously not equality.
With the line of argument you're using, the monumentally racist segregation in the USA was racial equality and right minded because it was equality for "whites".
An interesting article on my work internal intranet yesterday. It was inviting people to put forward female graduates to apply to the companies graduate scheme. Clearly not looking for the best candidate. Just women. Not asking for men. This is one of the largest companies in the country.
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Good old positive discrimination.
At my workplace on our internal Intranet there was an article asking us to nominate people for unfulfilled vacancies and if the candidates are successful then we receive £1000. We could only nominate female candidates though.
I think it was pretty obvious what @BowdonUK meant, but don't let me stop you going off on some pedantic strawman rant.
Not uncommon. Google was (is?) heavily invested in this approach, hence James Damore's memo which he was then fired for.
It's really started to have a negative affect now too. Several of us have said it's no longer worth our time putting in extra effort to get something finished on time or answering a work call on holiday, because we simply aren't going to affect our promotion prospects because of it. We're not going to get a promotion or pay rise so why bother doing more than is necessary to keep the job?
I do occasionally see old-fashioned anti-women sexism, but very rarely. And it's been exclusively in the field of marketing. I think you still get it in the City, in investments, et al. Marketing doesn't surprise me - it's the field of choice for people who are aggressive but not very academically inclined / book-learned. It's also a field that is very cliquey and network-y. So it doesn't surprise it's one of the last main bastions of that sort of sexism in the West. But most of the sexism in the West these days is of the kind you describe and institutional.
I realize having typed that, how many times I typed "in the West". Modern Feminism's lack of interest in the Middle East and Africa is staggering given the purported goals of Feminism.
I think you're looking for an argument. As someone else said in the thread it is obvious what I meant.
The word we're using is equality i.e. being equal, meaning there needs to be at least 2 elements for one to be equal to the other. There can't be equality for only one element as it wouldn't be equal to anything.
I've seen this posted a few times in similar format. What on earth are people expecting feminists to do about the middle East and Africa? The combined world of do-gooders has done nothing but make it worse in these places for decades.
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I was wondering the same.
Do you expect a UK feminist to go to Africa or something?
Do you expect a UK feminist to go to Africa or something?
They could petition those governments directly. They could raise funds here for donation to womens organisations within those countries. They could offer services either in this country or go there to help organise events there. They could demonstrate in those countries, or if unsafe to do so, outside of their embassies in safe countries to cause embarrassment. There is plenty they could do.