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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

Personally I think we're past strapping a 2kg lump of metal to a fibreglass board 1.67mm thick. It's 2019 for crying out loud.

The "AIOs are loud" argument makes me chuckle too. Do you sit with your ear to the case? Of course not, and if you can actually hear the pump in the AIO from inside a sealed case a couple of feet from your head then RMA the bloody thing because it's broken.
 
I've used an aio for...probably the last 8 years, no issue. No pump noise, cooled well and just been down to finding the right fans.
Went dual 240mm aios for a bit on a 2600k @ 4.6ish and 980ti, now custom loop on a 2700x and titan X. I don't think air coolers are poor but aios do as well, have few of the negatives others here have mentioned and are far more convenient (imo) to use.
 
LePhuronn said:
Personally I think we're past strapping a 2kg lump of metal to a fibreglass board 1.67mm thick. It's 2019 for crying out loud.

The "AIOs are loud" argument makes me chuckle too. Do you sit with your ear to the case? Of course not, and if you can actually hear the pump in the AIO from inside a sealed case a couple of feet from your head then RMA the bloody thing because it's broken.
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Like I said, I cannot claim personal experience, my listed concerns are just based on research, most of which was done years ago so things may well have improved since then. Basically, the last time I looked, an AIO with similar noise and thermals to an equivalent air cooler cost more. Sure there are other advantages, particularly if you want a smaller case, lower ambient temperatures, or move your case a lot. But for me none of those is really important and I'm definitely not going to water cool my GPU so the case will always be warmish anyway.
 
Wish we had a solid date on this.
I saw amd post about their 50 year anniversary

My finance agreements are finished then.
I'm all ready to jump into AMD's High end stuff.

But I want a GPU at the same time
 
Drollic said:
The problem with a good chunk of the aio reviews is that they use the coolers with the pre applied TIM. Unless that same TIM is used on the air cooler, it's a pretty pointless test. I'd rather air than 240mm aio, but rather 280mm aio then air I think. I'd hazard a guess that air struggles more with ambient case temp also. Wouldn't mind a d15 next, but you're required to buy the black fans for your own sanity and the ram clearance is a problem. Raising the front fan to allow for the clearance then limits case choice given you're over 175mm.
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Absolutely, first application with applied TIM was poor on the H50 but I replaced with thermal grizzly and made a huge improvement. I dont have my 2600 overclocked so cant comment but my 4790k at 4.3gz never went above 60 degrees with it.
 
LePhuronn said:
Personally I think we're past strapping a 2kg lump of metal to a fibreglass board 1.67mm thick. It's 2019 for crying out loud.

The "AIOs are loud" argument makes me chuckle too. Do you sit with your ear to the case? Of course not, and if you can actually hear the pump in the AIO from inside a sealed case a couple of feet from your head then RMA the bloody thing because it's broken.
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Yeah the weight of CPU coolers has always bothered me. Esp the all copper types.

I'd never even considered an AIO before, but I might seriously try one with my shiny new Zen2.

Leaks and damage would be my #1 concern, but I'm guessing this really isn't very common, and the potential to truly **** things up during install is probably small.

Do the AIO makers warranties generally cover water damage if the product is faulty and leaks?
 
I don't understand this pump noise argument, i've set all my case fans to 0 at CPU temperatures that are below 50c, so they are off completely, they only start to ramp on and up at between 50 and 70c, the rad fan is at a very low RPM profile at below 45c, my PC at idle is almost silent, the only thing i can hear from it is the mechanical mass storage drive wiring away, the pump doesn't make any noise at all, or its drowned out my the Mechanical drive.

Reliability, well its more than 4 years old and it runs all day every day, its only off when i'm in bed......
 
Mechanical drives make a **** ton of noise. Anyone who's into "silent" computing ditched them long ago.

The loudest components by far in a silent setup will be fans. And those will be Noctua or other quiet fans.

So something being quieter than a mechanical drive isn't a good endorsement!
 
FoxEye said:
Mechanical drives make a **** ton of noise. Anyone who's into "silent" computing ditched them long ago.

The loudest components by far in a silent setup will be fans. And those will be Noctua or other quiet fans.

So something being quieter than a mechanical drive isn't a good endorsement!
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Oh come off it you cannot impose that something that makes less noise than a mechanical drive as "noisy"
 
humbug said:
I don't understand this pump noise argument, i've set all my case fans to 0 at CPU temperatures that are below 50c, so they are off completely, they only start to ramp on and up at between 50 and 70c, the rad fan is at a very low RPM profile at below 45c, my PC at idle is almost silent, the only thing i can hear from it is the mechanical mass storage drive wiring away, the pump doesn't make any noise at all, or its drowned out my the Mechanical drive.
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So you don't have a GPU and don't care much for cooling VRMs and other board components. ;)
 
Murphy said:
So you don't have a GPU and don't care much for cooling VRMs and other board components. ;)
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GPU is in my signature, google it, like all modern GPU's the fans don't come on until it gets to a certain temperature, in its case 60c.

The Motherboard VRMs don't need airflow unless the CPU is drawing power, which at idle it isn't, its why as i explain in a previous post that i have set the case fans to come on and ramp up at between 50 and 70c, it gets to temperature when the CPU is actually doing something and the case fans spring into life to provide airflow.

If you're talking about air coolers providing airflow over the VRMs stand up air coolers don't do that either.
If anything they disrupt the airflow in the case around that area.
 
humbug said:
Oh come off it you cannot impose that something that makes less noise than a mechanical drive as "noisy"
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That post makes no sense. Naturally it's not what anyone has said.

Mechanical drives *are* noisy. So something that is only just a bit quieter than a mechanical drive will be classed as noisy, most likely.
 
Conor. said:
If you are buying into the same product range e.g Ryzen 7 -> Ryzen 7 then you won’t need a new cooler as the power draw is apparently going to be the same. Apparently the 7nm node alone allows for 25% extra performance at the same power draw. If you add in the upgraded architecture as well increasing the IPC and HOPEFULLY. Reducing the memory latency you
Have a very very potent architecture.
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I'm coming from a Nehalem chip at around 1.35v so I reckon I should be ok.
 
humbug said:
I guess i did then, apologies :)
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NP, it's easy to miss those things when having to depend on the written word. Being able to switch off case fans is one things I'm looking forward too when i upgrade to an R3, I'm still rocking an ancient X58 board and an i7 920, until Ryzen came along every things just been a bit meh and with third gen most of the little niggles should be ironed out.
 
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