After all my worrying the wife as okd a 16 core chip for moi , providing its no more than 500 notes, haven't the balls to tell her about a new mobo yet though... Will slip that one in on day of purchase me thinks ... Might offer her the 2700 and board to sweeten her up. Just give me more cores, and a decent single thread increase and I'm happy. Bless her she's still managing on a dual core i7 lappy.
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True, nothing confirmed, but I think a lot of the technical talk about EPYC will apply to Threadripper given they're the same basic thing. That was what caused the memory weirdness with the WX TR2s given it didn't have 1 memory channel per CCX like EPYC Naples.
Also, PCIe lanes are on the I/O die, not the chiplets, so we won't see double the lanes. But that's what PCIe 4 on X570 is going to do I think. 8 Gen4 lanes is the same bandwidth as 16 Gen3 lanes, so keep the lane count the same, but only feed 8 into the GPUs which leaves plenty more lanes to assign (and bifurcate?) to feed all the other stuff that usually gets starved, e.g. multiple full-speed NVMe drives, native 10Gb LAN maybe? Hell, even though multi GPU is dead, we could see 16 lanes assigned to a pair of GPU slots for the return of full-whack 16 lanes each (equivalent).
Guys, another question...
Has anyone of you already thought about cooling the CPUs with a higher TDP?
For example, the 3850x with an alleged TDP of 135W?
I would have thought of an AiO (which is silent) with at least a radiator of 280mm.
What do you think?
Has anyone of you already thought about cooling the CPUs with a higher TDP?
For example, the 3850x with an alleged TDP of 135W?
I would have thought of an AiO (which is silent) with at least a radiator of 280mm.
What do you think?
I usually go with the amd cooler or buy a high end air cooler.
water aio etc...are more prone to breaking down.
with the boost amd provides why overclock?
Having used solely AIO's for the past 8-10 years i have only ever had 1 failure, that was an Antec Kuhler after 2 years of service, it leaked, luckily it did not damage anything and it was replaced by Antec with a newer model.
So im not sure where this reputation of "more prone to breaking down" comes from, although maybe some models / manufacturers are perhaps more prone? i have read some of the Raijintek stuff hasnt been very good initially.
Normally i pick a well known brand like Antec, Corsair, Artic Cooling etc and have yet to have any issues other than the Antec one i described above.
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Threadripper is already way over 135, had no problem cooling the 1950x with a Noctua air cooler, so shouldn't be an issue with these, though I guess they do have a smaller surface area
It would probably need a BIOS up date, AMD have requested Board Vendors do this but they can't force it, to be fair most 300 series boards did get a BIOS update for Ryzen 2000, including mine which is only a £75 board, but there is still no guarantee of that.
I've ran a 240 AIO cooler for many years now, it keeps my 2600k at 4.8Ghz <65C with fans at around 800rpm which is near enough silent. Although I am doing a fully custom watercooled build for Zen2 with a pair of 360 radiators for cooling the CPU and GPU.
If the prices are correct then a R9 3850X looks like a great buy for a productivity workstation
If you only need cores then yes, otherwise I'd still go Threadripper personally. There's more to a workstation than core count.
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Do we have any confirmation of a release date yet guys?
It's not a reputation of "more prone to breaking down", it's a reputation for a breakdown not being a zero chance of causing damage. If there's a breakdown of an air cooler there's 0% chance of further damage (with modern CPUs throttling or shutting down when operating outside of thermal constants), if AIO breaks there's a greater than 0% chance of further damage.
As an aside IDK where the reputation for AIO's being quiet comes from, by design they can't be quieter as all things being equal adding a pump will increase noise.
7th July is rumored but nothing official.
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A crappy stock Intel cooler will cool 95W fine, not hugely quietly but still fine. A modest air cooler can already cool 200W+ effectively, a single 120mm AIO can EASILY cool 500W. I have no idea why you think a 135W CPU suddenly makes a double the size AIO required.
Just look at a Radeon 295x2, https://www.anandtech.com/show/7930/the-amd-radeon-r9-295x2-review/17
Fully a 500W card that can actually draw more than that anyway and it's the coolest card in the review using a single 120mm rad.
A £30+ cooler added to a CPU is already to deal with heavily overclocked CPUs which until more recently would draw well above 200W easily when maxed out and do it well, £50+ type coolers were to achieve that more quietly, liquid cooling/AIOs do have a little more capacity than some but are more about ease of installation and size than anything else. A lot of the biggest air coolers make it a pain to remove or replace memory and can be fiddly as hell to install and puts a lot of leveraged weight on a socket, though again that isn't much of a concern unless you move them around a lot.
More recent CPUs with auto overclocking and less overclocking headroom, less voltage potential don't really get up to the 300W overclocked beasts of the days where you would take a stock 1.4v 95W cpu and stick 2v through it overclocked, but the cooling capacity of the same coolers used back then didn't magically reduce.
135W is ridiculously easy to cool, 250W is easy to cool, 500W can easily be handled by an AIO but power density of producing that out of a single smaller die becomes a major issue long before the coolers around today get overwhelmed by capacity to dump the heat.
No AIO is silent , common misconception , its quiet , but louder than an air cooler on average. obviously this depends largley on fan profile but pumps make noise.
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An AIO is an air cooler with added water to leak and pump to break. It will always be more likely to break down and have much, much higher potential impact when it does. The up side is it can have a larger radiator than is practical for a normal air cooler as it can be mounted further away and the weight taken by the case. This can in some scenarios result in better temperatures although the tradeoff is being slightly noisier - though in some scenarios the fan noise may be lower by enough to make an overall quieter machine despite the pump noise.
Are they terribly unreliable things that burst all the time? No. But they are less reliable and the benefits are fairly marginal in many cases - they are mostly a fashion/trend item.
Don't forget: more RGB = more FPS!! 
Just kidding...
The thing is my next build should be with a bit more RGB, that's why I would prefer to have an AiO. With an AiO it looks also cleaner.
On the other side, there are a lot of normal very good coolers like Noctua or Macho.
I'm more concerned about the hopefully new memory controller... It would be also nice to run high frequency RAM - at least 3600 or 3866+
Just kidding...
The thing is my next build should be with a bit more RGB, that's why I would prefer to have an AiO. With an AiO it looks also cleaner.
On the other side, there are a lot of normal very good coolers like Noctua or Macho.
I'm more concerned about the hopefully new memory controller... It would be also nice to run high frequency RAM - at least 3600 or 3866+