AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Drollic]

An AIO is an air cooler with added water to leak and pump to break. It will always be more likely to break down and have much, much higher potential impact when it does. The up side is it can have a larger radiator than is practical for a normal air cooler as it can be mounted further away and the weight taken by the case. This can in some scenarios result in better temperatures although the tradeoff is being slightly noisier - though in some scenarios the fan noise may be lower by enough to make an overall quieter machine despite the pump noise.

Are they terribly unreliable things that burst all the time? No. But they are less reliable and the benefits are fairly marginal in many cases - they are mostly a fashion/trend item.

I agree, but differences aren't marginal when they allow for any ram to be used without any kind of clearance issue. I'll go aio next for that reason alone most likely. They'd sell far more air coolers if it wasn't for this issue together with featuring customisable rgb.

 

[DarrenM343]

I agree, but differences aren't marginal when they allow for any ram to be used without any kind of clearance issue. I'll go aio next for that reason alone most likely. They'd sell far more air coolers if it wasn't for this issue together with featuring customisable rgb.

Might try one again someday but prefer top end air coolers personally. Used a H50.1 years ago and found it pretty noisy. Maybe they've improved a lot since then?

 

[scotty63]

I'm happy with my Noctua NH-D15 on my Ryzen 1600, Low temps but christ its massive!

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

Air cooler for CPU on my system too. I would only use an AIO for gpu's if you buy one with a crappy cooler that's loud AF.

 

[doodah]

3700 or 3700X for under 400 notes, yes please .

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

We already know don't we? 10 core Coffeelake priced very Intel'ish.

10nm rumoured later this year, but who knows.

 

[RBImGuy]

Having used solely AIO's for the past 8-10 years i have only ever had 1 failure, that was an Antec Kuhler after 2 years of service, it leaked, luckily it did not damage anything and it was replaced by Antec with a newer model.

So im not sure where this reputation of "more prone to breaking down" comes from, although maybe some models / manufacturers are perhaps more prone? i have read some of the Raijintek stuff hasnt been very good initially.

Normally i pick a well known brand like Antec, Corsair, Artic Cooling etc and have yet to have any issues other than the Antec one i described above.

pump can fail, more noise and I cant say there is an advantage with aio vs air coolers.
I still use the amd cooler on my 2600X as I find no reason to aio or do the custom watercooling I also have.
The pump gave up after 12 years and the amd cooler that came along with the cpu works just as well.
I find water/aio have played out the benefits as air cooling now is the prefered choice.

 

[Wommers]

I'd be willing to bet my old NH-U12P SE2 will be more than man enough for the new Zen 2 chips.

 

[humbug]

I've been using an NZXT KRAKEN X31 for 4/5 years, its still as good today as it was when i bought it, it does a good job of cooling, under high stress load with the overclock my CPU never get over 65c, about 50 - 55c on a quiet fan profile during gaming.

 

[Conor.]

I'd be willing to bet my old NH-U12P SE2 will be more than man enough for the new Zen 2 chips.

If you are buying into the same product range e.g Ryzen 7 -> Ryzen 7 then you won’t need a new cooler as the power draw is apparently going to be the same. Apparently the 7nm node alone allows for 25% extra performance at the same power draw. If you add in the upgraded architecture as well increasing the IPC and HOPEFULLY. Reducing the memory latency you
Have a very very potent architecture.

 

[Cromulent]

I'm seriously getting the upgrade itch and keeping my eye out for information on Threadripper 3000. It is a very interesting time to be into computers.

 

[welshrat]

One thing to remember about AIO coolers, at least in my experience with them is they can drastically reduce the overall temp of everything in the case, I bought one a few months back as my new vega 56 was getting very hot, I added a h50 to my i4790k (now a ryzen 2600) and not only did it dramatically drop my processor temp it also really helped with the gpu and memory temps. I was using a cooler master 212 and the difference is huge. I know you can remove this hot air with many fans but that means more noise.

 

[humbug]

One thing to remember about AIO coolers, at least in my experience with them is they can drastically reduce the overall temp of everything in the case, I bought one a few months back as my new vega 56 was getting very hot, I added a h50 to my i4790k (now a ryzen 2600) and not only did it dramatically drop my processor temp it also really helped with the gpu and memory temps. I was using a cooler master 212 and the difference is huge. I know you can remove this hot air with many fans but that means more noise.

Not only do big metal lumps in the middle of the case disrupt airflow that big metal lump also gets hot and dissipates heat into the case.

AIOs are just the pump sitting low profile the same height or lower than the RAM and the RAD when placed at the back of the case doesn't heat up the case.

Since using an AIO i'm never going back to air coolers.

 

[DragonQ]

Never used an AIO but always been put off by the potential pump noise, leaks, and damage to the system. Just doesn't seem worth it when air cooling suffices in 99.9% of cases.

 

[HRL]

I might be tempted next upgrade if they can make AIO’s quieter.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

my next build should be with a bit more RGB, that's why I would prefer to have an AiO

Please tell me you're joking? You're honestly buying an AIO because you want RGB for your CPU?

 

[Kelt]

Never used an AIO but always been put off by the potential pump noise, leaks, and damage to the system. Just doesn't seem worth it when air cooling suffices in 99.9% of cases.

I'm using a £50 (even cheaper now) Cooler Master AIO and the pump is inaudible.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Forget AIO. If you're not going full custom water, then just stick with a decent air cooler.

 

[Andyman82]

Please tell me you're joking? You're honestly buying an AIO because you want RGB for your CPU?

yes and no. There are two perspectives if you want to see it like that.
I want to have a powerful but silent system and also more (and faster) ram than now. So 32 GB 3600+ mhz instead of 16 gb 3200 (hope it works with the new ryzen memory controller). Most of the modules come with rgb and that's why I am a bit concerned about the space between the ram and the cpu cooler Fan. For example, the Noctua cooler is directly above the ram slots, so I thought it would be better to go with an AiO to get rid of this problem. The rgb of the AiO is just a benefit but not necessary

 

[Drollic]

The problem with a good chunk of the aio reviews is that they use the coolers with the pre applied TIM. Unless that same TIM is used on the air cooler, it's a pretty pointless test. I'd rather air than 240mm aio, but rather 280mm aio then air I think. I'd hazard a guess that air struggles more with ambient case temp also. Wouldn't mind a d15 next, but you're required to buy the black fans for your own sanity and the ram clearance is a problem. Raising the front fan to allow for the clearance then limits case choice given you're over 175mm.