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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

4K8KW10 said:
Well, I wouldn't expect the 1/2 divider to appear with DDR4-4000, but with DDR4-5000.

Anyways, what's the point to support so high DDR4-5000 clocks if the overall performance will be lower than with DDR4-2500?
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If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can buy DDR4-5000. ;)

Seriously though how much does DDR4-5000 even cost, i couldn't (30sec checking) find any and even if you did have the money to buy some as DragonQ pointed out we don't know how high IF or the mem controller will be able to clock with Zen2, if Zen(+) is anything to go by it's around 1600Mhz but what exactly was holding it back from clocking higher is anyone's guess.
 
Murphy said:
If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can buy DDR4-5000. ;)

Seriously though how much does DDR4-5000 even cost, i couldn't (30sec checking) find any and even if you did have the money to buy some as DragonQ pointed out we don't know how high IF or the mem controller will be able to clock with Zen2, if Zen(+) is anything to go by it's around 1600Mhz but what exactly was holding it back from clocking higher is anyone's guess.
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If I can run 4000MHz RAM at 3600MHz with tighter timings I'd be happy.
 
Troezar said:
Lol true. At least you have hyperthreading ;) I bet @Gibbo is rubbing his hands with all this talk about upgrading :)
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I bet he is.

This time I'm exploring other suppliers though. Last two builds and several gfx have been from ocuk (other than my 1080ti)

Time to spread my money elsewhere.
 
LePhuronn said:
And no doubt price gouge the hell out of everything under the fallacy of "maintaining sales expectations".
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To be fair if people pay it...there is competition in the market but OCUK do have a good reputation for after sales. I'll pay a bit more for that, just depends how much more and how high the likelyhood of failure and hassle is ;)
 
Troezar said:
To be fair if people pay it...there is competition in the market but OCUK do have a good reputation for after sales. I'll pay a bit more for that, just depends how much more and how high the likelyhood of failure and hassle is ;)
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They do have good after care.

But not as good as some large retailers that, for me at least, do no questioned refunds and in many cases cross shipping.

I literally buy everything from them other than food though. So probably a most valued customer, if such things exist.

And it's likelihood (**** comment :-) )
 
Troezar said:
To be fair if people pay it...there is competition in the market but OCUK do have a good reputation for after sales.
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Unfortunately everybody just price matches each other, not actually trying to undercut each other to boost sales.

I recall when OcUK bumped the price of the 9900K up a bit because of "supply and demand" but because it was still selling well, ****** and Scan bumped their prices up to match. That's almost cartel and price-fixing, and could be in violation of Consumer Law (hard to prove though).
 
I think CPU's are fairly bulletproof and safe to buy from most suppliers (excluding amazon marketplace or the bay OFC).

Most other things I would come here for though.
 
viathinair said:
I also meant if it could achieve all-cores 5Ghz via (water-cooled) OC. Been out of the loop for ages as said though.
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Given how singe core XFR works on the 2700x where it can boost to 4.3GHz on single core but all core overclocks for most people seem to be around 4.1 - 4.2. Assuming that Zen 2 will be similar with how XFR works then I think that more realistically you will get 4.7 - 4.8GHz all core overclock, which would still be impressive, especially when combined with with an IPC increase.
 
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smilingcrow said:
IBM use 8 per core with their server CPUs I think!
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Wow, This is the first time I've heard of core threads going beyond 2, but I suppose that's down to me only being a desktop user/gamer. I thinking that I'm surprised Intel haven't brought it to the desktop before now but then I thought about it a bit more & realised no I'm not. :D We'd likely still have 4 core 8 thread i7 flagships if it was up to Intel. :rolleyes:
 
The more I hear about all this stuff the more I like the name Zen, I remember back in the day about 10 years ago when AMD touted this Zen methodology and what the future was. At the time everybody, me included, mocked it as some sort of pipe dream. We looked at what they currently had in bulldozer and how far behind they were and just couldn't see it happening.

Now looking at it, after the way they have executed on Zen so far and what is likely to come, I have to say that it's pretty amazing. Nobody really believed they could be competitive let alone be where they are right now.
 
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