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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

8 Pack said:
No one is commenting on the new found quality for an AMD user...
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I don't think anybody knows about it yet. The large majority of publications is just echoing AMD statements without referring to any independent testing.
Far more has been written and talked about outrageous prices than what you're getting in return.
 
Stephanie Peterson said:
Yes this is a board manufacturer issue though but AMD needs to put pressure on them as it was a part of buying the older Zen platforms.
I suspect this will all be ironed out soon though.
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The problem is what if people buy an Ryzen 5 3600 or Ryzen 5 3600X in the next month or so with a B450 or X470 motherboard,and its buggy? AMD will get moaned at,and there will no doubt a lot of people who have been with Intel for years who might be jumping to AMD for the first time. AMD has not even given any information about the B550 either,let alone when they will launch it!
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The problem is what if people buy an Ryzen 5 3600 or Ryzen 5 3600X in the next month or so with a B450 or X470 motherboard,and its buggy? AMD will get moaned at,and there will no doubt a lot of people who have been with Intel for years who might be jumping to AMD for the first time. AMD has not even given any information about the B550 either,let alone when they will launch it!
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B550 waits ASMedia to get their PCIe 4.0 chipset ready.

Escalibran said:
I don't think anybody knows about it yet. The large majority of publications is just echoing AMD statements without referring to any independent testing.
Far more has been written and talked about outrageous prices than what you're getting in return.
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Huh, with Ryzen 7 3700X/3800X you will get an i9-9900K equivalent, I don't know how many months later.
 
Jacky60 said:
I was seriously considering upgrading from my [email protected]/4.25 32GB 3000Mhz DDR4 but I'm definitely waiting until 2020. The only way to stop
this madness is to refuse to bite. I'll give it 12-16 weeks then review options but I'm not spending £280-£300 on a mobo. They can make all they like
but I'm not buying until they're a sensible price.
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Entry will be £180 for 10 phases at 60amps

But damn, Strix for £342.. £40-80 more expensive then Pro/Ultra boards
 
Yeah i know, AMD will catch a lot of flack for it and the motherboard manufacturers will hide behind them.
AMD really need to put a lot of pressure on them.

And because it is AMD this will stick, for years we will hear of how crap AMD boards are ect ... even though when this happens with Intel it goes all quiet after a few weeks..
 
I think AMD don't forsee or know Ryzen 3000 will work quite happily in X470/B450 and good X370 motherboards. The newer boards with pcie 4 are for those with deep pockets or those who will buy any think new AMD.
 
Martini1991 said:
It'd be funny if all this pricing stuff ends up getting people to buy Intel i7/i9 set ups with 2070 Supers instead of 3800X/3900X with 5700XT's.
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Well, at the forest the top selling processor is the 5 2600 and only because it's dirty cheap.
At the egg, the top selling processors are all intel's, with Ryzen 5 2600 down the stack.

Only at mindfactory, it is AMD but maybe the Germans have some sentiments towards its manufacturing plants...
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I noticed my modded Fallout game had more issues on my Xeon E3 1230 V2 after the patches but it hammers IO,so probably an edge case.




All core clocks on the Ryzen 9 3900X appear to be 4.45GHZ,which is not too bad for a 12 core CPU.
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I used InSpectre to get rid of the patches on my PC.
 
Let's be brutally honest. the 9900K will probably still be faster in games. The main reason I'm buying zen2 is to punish Intel for doing essentially nothing for 7 years.
 
Zoroaster said:
It's very unsettling for consumers when we're told by AMD that everything will work fine in the old boards, then we find out they are not working to advertised specifications. The mboard devs cba to upgrade the old bios because it will eat into performance targets of the new boards.
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Wait for some reviews testing old chipsets.

If someone bought a cheap AM4 board with a pound shop VRM they can't expect to get the same performance as a high end board / new board, even a 2700X is constrained in low end boards by throttling VRM's and suboptimal memory support etc.
Apart for thermal throttle on cheap VRM's, performance gap will be placebo level. E.g. you'll see it in a bench mark but not when gaming or using productivity apps unless you're timing them with a stop watch.

The mid range Z570 6 layer boards will support better memory overclock than cheaper X570 4 layer and 4 layer B450/X470, no big surprise there. You may need to drop the Dram overclock a couple of hundred Mhz like you always have on cheaper boards vs what a new board will reach. A few hundred Mhz will be placebo levels.

I don't see what all the noise is about, high end boards allow a small margin of extra performacne to be squezed out of the same chip, it's always been this way.

The 3xxx series will still give you IPC increase and standard boost clocks, you may just be few % down on max boost (100hz is ~2%) and a little down in memory OC. No different to all other platforms. It's still a good step up from 2xxx
 
StriderX said:
They've clearly gone mental with overdesigning it, but then that's to be expected as the AM4 compatibility has to keep older boards available for use. The price is overdesign + full feature sets + lost margin from more sensible boards.

Now stop moaning about it, just keep or buy a 400 series board if it's an issue.
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I don't see the point of all the fancy VRMs, many layered PCB, super efficient power delivery if the CPU is languishing about at 4.4ghz, usually less and boosting to 4.7ghz annually to celebrate the anniversary of AMDs founding. From all the evidence I've seen this is going to be yet another disappointing launch from AMD. Top line CPU frequency from AMD has recently been underwhelming. With a 9900K you have a fairly decent chance of getting a 5ghz all core overclock with good cooling (it's sold as a single core turbo 5ghz CPU (edited )). With the 2700x you have next to no chance getting a 4.35 all core overclock with good cooling (it's sold as a 4.35ghz CPU). Just shift those goalposts to the 3700X/3800X/3900X and that's where performance will fall. I want to be wrong but I think even the 3900X at maximum PBO on a 570 £300 is going to be 10% slower than 9900K (at 5ghz) in 95% of games.
 
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