I very much doubt it. It found 7 3700X chips for a lot less than that too.
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Intel admits it won't catch up with AMD's 7nm chips until 2021
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I very much doubt it. It found 7 3700X chips for a lot less than that too.
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In stock?
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I dont think Intel will even catch up in 2021... By that point AMD are going to be on 5nm.
2019 - 7nm
2020 - 7nm+
2021 - 5nm
Unless Intel make a massive leap, but by the looks of things I dont think thats happening.
2019 - 7nm
2020 - 7nm+
2021 - 5nm
Unless Intel make a massive leap, but by the looks of things I dont think thats happening.
Yeah 7 shops in stock. Still one place with 3900X's.
I agree. If Intel say 2021 we can take that a products shipping in sometime of 2022 and those might only match what AMD have currently.
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Yeah or sure. I just cant fathom how this is like a new beginning... Core counts/IPC/clock speeds are only going to get even crazier at this point. Could even get 24 cores in mainstream desktops by 2023 I think.
Nah, we're not getting any meaningful clock speed bumps any more, the smaller processes just don't allow for it. That puts more emphasis on improving IPC and reducing latency. Server core counts will continue to increase, but I think 16 will be the maximum on desktop for a good couple of years (more cores for productivity is the domain of HEDT/workstation systems). But you saying 2023 is a good couple of years away, so you never know.
Then there is talk of 4-way SMT coming with Zen 3 next year, so Intel better be targeting Zen 4 otherwise they're going to be way behind. Can Jim Keller beat his own designs?
I also think there won't be 24-core/48-thread MSDT CPUs in 2023.
If 4-way SMT is real, I'd expect 8-core/32-thread CPUs from AMD.
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Is the 4way for desktops or low load servers.
I think there is more chance of this been on servers with low power needs.
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I can see where you're coming from. But I mean I suppose if you're buying a processor in 2019, the minimum is really 8 core isnt it? You can survive with 6 cores, but buying a 4 core for a desktop is basically unheard of now in todays day and age.
Hence that'll essentially make 12 cores a good standard to have, with 16 being for power users. in 4/5 years time, that can easily shift upwards. I mean compare 4/5 years ago to now.. where 4 core was the best you could get, and now its quadrupled to 16 in a mainstream setup.
I mean of course its pure speculation here, but HEDT cores will have to be higher than whatever the normal ones are, and the normal chips are hitting 16 cores, which is the same as a threadripper.
I think before 2023 I can easily see HEDT hitting 64 cores, starting at 32 cores. 32-48-64 seems a reasonable lineup, with mainstream chips passing 16 and hitting upto 24.
Of course there are IPC and clock speed improvements that can be made, which im sure they will be, but I dont see AMD doing an intel and keeping the cores same for so long, especially when everything is getting more power hungry, especially gaming.
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This is also very possible, but im not sure it is as I heard the architecture is quite difficult to complete.
That would be pretty insane to see an 8 core with 32 threads though. But then again would a 8c/32t perform as well as a 16c/32t? I dont think it will
If AMD do go 4-way SMT with Zen 3, it'll be on EPYC Milan and possibly Threadripper. Ryzen 4000 will probably only get 3-way SMT, assuming it's possible to "disable" a thread during binning like you can with a core. And even then that'll be for bragging rights, marketing and "pushing the technology envelope".
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Unlikely. However it may give significant gains over 8c/16t, depending on workload. If the existing threads are hanging around for data from memory or even higher levels of cache, other threads can be executing. I'm pretty sure 4-way SMT has been done on POWER or SPARC before...
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This is the way I see it. I can see a real need for it on desktop(none business lvl)
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Yeah thats a good point tbf. I have ni problemt seeing them on HEDT and server chips, and the mainstream chips will just be regular 2 threads per core. It'll also be better for AMD as there are more distinctions between the EPYC/Threadripper and mainstream chips, whereas atm its just core count. And even then the mainstream chips are close to HEDT chips
Whether they can actually pull it off or not is another matter but on paper Intel's 7nm competes well against 5FF elsewhere and when it comes to the areas important to CPUs even holds up well against 3nm plans elsewhere. They also don't have the same issues at 7nm that are plaguing their 10nm node tech wise (though still many of the same management problems).
IBM's Blue Gene/Q has 4-way SMT, Intel Xeon Phi has 4-way SMT.
Except that the top "mainstream" part is 12-core/24-thread, while the top HEDT part is 32-core/64-thread.
I don't see how the MSDT chips are close to the HEDT chips. Every year, the gap becomes larger and larger.
The real top mainstream part is 8-core - both i9-9900K and Ryzen 7 3700X/3800X.
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The 3950x is 16c and the bottom threadripper is also 16c at lower clocks.
The gap will probably get larger in the future though
As of today the top main steam chip is 12cores and 24 threads and amd do have 16 cores 32 threads.
Amd threadripper still hasn’t been finalised yet and it’s all roumors and people expect a 16 core amd 32 core chips now I’m sure there will be inbetween.
Now I’m sure that threadripper can go higher then 32 cores but I don’t think they will for this generation maybe next
Amd are already pushing main stream core count up to HEDT number of cores . Cashe etc and the 12 core 3000 series are all ready beating 1st gen threadripper with ease.
Then intel core count on HEDT isn’t really much higher then amd main stream now. Both amd and intel really need to push HEDT features core count clock speed etc forward as the new Ryzen 9 is really cutting into there sales and usefulness.
When a amd main stream duel channel cpu the 3900x can match a 1k intel cpu in a lot of way for half the price with cheaper motherboards and cheaper ram etc currently why buy HEDT from intel or even a a 2nd generation threadripper.
Threadripper and intel HEDT need to up there game now if they don’t amd With Ryzen could be the new desktop workstation king
Heck why not just bring out a special edition and add HEDT features and a x590 mobo and be done with it