Donald Trump

[neckbeardthethird]

Here you go Mr lib

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/18/...ending-impeachment-articles-senate/index.html

Im fully aware of what she is doing, its 4 day old news.

Its politics, if the shoe were on the other foot republicans would play every card they could... its what politicians do.

Even though im not a fan of her (and a sizeable percentage of Dems) she's certainly not a 'stupid bitch'.

 

[deuse]

Im fully aware of what she is doing, its 4 day old news.

Its politics, if the shoe were on the other foot republicans would play every card they could... its what politicians do.

Even though im not a fan of her (and a sizeable percentage of Dems) she's certainly not a 'stupid bitch'.

So you knew, but posted rubbish in answer to me...

How are you going to vote next year? Trump or?

 

[neckbeardthethird]

So you knew, but posted rubbish in answer to me...

How are you going to vote next year? Trump or?

I won't be voting because im British... I have family in Hartford Connecticut though who i know will probably be voting Dem, not because they massively liberal but because they are unhappy with how the government has been run in the past 3 years and see Trump as embarrassment to their countries standing in the world. They have previously voted for Bush (first term) and Reagan (both terms) and are generally not partisan in nature.

 

[doodah]

Some people are poor yes, there are poor people all over the world, overall the country is doing well, wages have grown, the economy has grown. These are facts.

https://ig.ft.com/sites/numbers/economies/us

Trump promised GDP growth of >4% annual, their deficit is $1tn, the economy has grown because of Trump's tax cuts massively favouring corporations who made record stock buy backs (and it was already growing before Trump). Wages have had an uptick but are largely stagnant long term. Life expectancy has fallen for the third year in a row. These are facts.

If you're the richest country in history and can't guarantee clean water for all of your population and thousands a year die or go bankrupt because they can't afford access to healthcare, you're not doing well IMO (at least for the working and middle classes).

 

[deuse]

I won't be voting because im British... I have family in Hartford Connecticut though who i know will probably be voting Dem, not because they massively liberal but because they are unhappy with how the government has been run in the past 3 years and see Trump as embarrassment to their countries standing in the world. They have previously voted for Bush (first term) and Reagan (both terms) and are generally not partisan in nature.

Trumps done well.

As for Hartford Connecticut. They must live in the best bit
Prospect Ave is very nice area.

 

[TheSwede]

Here you go Mr lib

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/18/...ending-impeachment-articles-senate/index.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/after-house-impeaches-trump-timing-of-next-steps-is-unclear-11576755097

She wants to know the rules of the trial.

"she couldn’t select impeachment managers and advance the matter without more details about the Senate’s plans for a trial, which she has said should be conducted in a manner that she considers fair"
Why? they have already been set out...stupid bitch

Well, seems you missed this interview a couple weeks ago when it was aired on Fox News.

Sen. McConnell: No chance the president is going to be removed from office

Dec. 13, 2019 - 10:48 - Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell breaks down how the Senate will handle the impeachment inquiry on 'Hannity.'

He says there that he will coordinate with the President and his lawyers about how to proceed with the trial. Which, for me at least, it's not really being partial in the hearings. Considering that all the Senators are suppose to take an oath or affirmation during these proceedings, like this one:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

The highlighted part is just to point out that Senator McConnell already have made up his mind and have no intention of going into the hearings "without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion".

So, with that in mind I'm not surprised that Nancy Pelosi want's to clarify the Senate's (or rather the Republicans) plans for the trial. In case you don't want to watch the whole part above, here is a clip of it from twitter.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1205311801212190727

As a side note, I'm not a specialist in US politics but hearing a Senator saying that, and a bit more in the longer clip, sure sounds dodge to me.

 

[Roar87]

Trump promised GDP growth of >4% annual, their deficit is $1tn, the economy has grown because of Trump's tax cuts massively favouring corporations who made record stock buy backs (and it was already growing before Trump). Wages have had an uptick but are largely stagnant long term. Life expectancy has fallen for the third year in a row. These are facts.

If you're the richest country in history and can't guarantee clean water for all of your population and thousands a year die or go bankrupt because they can't afford access to healthcare, you're not doing well IMO (at least for the working and middle classes).

America values freedom and invidual choice, it's what has driven their economic growth. You can work hard, become very successful and have the best healthcare in the world, but the trade off is that there's also not much of a safety net. This mythical country that's rich and has equality and brilliant healthcare for everyone doesn't exist.

 

[doodah]

America values freedom and invidual choice, it's what has driven their economic growth. You can work hard, become very successful and have the best healthcare in the world, but the trade off is that there's also not much of a safety net. This mythical country that's rich and has equality and brilliant healthcare for everyone doesn't exist.

But that's the problem with modern day America, millions of people are working hard just to scrape by. People half dosing or being too scared to ring an ambulance due to bankruptcy should not be a thing. Many other first world nations are capable of having relatively good and accessible healthcare systems. Greed has corrupted America to a sickening level.

The economic growth is benefitting the few which is why income inequality has only got worse.

 

[Freakbro]

It's a bit glib to just say the US economy is doing well, without understanding what are the current drivers. Of course Trump wants to distract and take the credit when the stock market increases and ignore it when it falls, but in his base territories of the manufacturing rust belt, all's not so rosy. Which ironically is fall out from Trumps protectionist policies and trade wars, which were supposed to revive this sector.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/manufacturing-production

Manufacturing production in the US fell 0.8 percent year-on-year in November of 2019, following an upwardly revised 1.7 percent decrease in the previous month. It is the fifth consecutive annual decline in industrial output

https://www.ft.com/content/2b54296a-1073-11ea-a7e6-62bf4f9e548a

Donald Trump’s struggle to revive the US rust-belt

Trade tariffs were supposed to lift the steel industry and boost the president’s re-election bid, but many producers are struggling

The struggles of the factory, run by Pittsburgh-based US Steel Corporation, reflect the torpor that has descended on US manufacturing in 2019. Industrial activity has stagnated across the US economy, but particularly in several rust-belt states that could determine the outcome of Donald Trump’s re-election bid next year, in a worrying sign for the White House and its trade policies.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ear-low-as-trade-tensions-weigh-idUSKBN1WG47G

U.S. manufacturing dives to 10-year low as trade tensions weigh

U.S. manufacturing activity tumbled to a more than 10-year low in September as lingering trade tensions weighed on exports, further heightening financial market fears of a sharp slowdown in economic growth in the third quarter.

The ISM said its index of national factory activity dropped 1.3 points to a reading of 47.8 last month, the lowest level since June 2009, when the Great Recession was ending. A reading below 50 indicates contraction in the manufacturing sector, which accounts for about 11% of the U.S. economy.

September’s reading marked the second straight month that the index fell below the 50 threshold. The index has now declined for six consecutive months

Things can turn round, the trade war with China is softening a little, but with the erratic and unpredictable Trump he could throw his toys out of the pram and do something stupid at any moment. So with a year to go to the elections, it's still all to play for, but just drinking Trumps kool aid and parroting that the economy is booming and everything is peachy is far from the reality.

 

[Freakbro]

Which is why the Tories didn't get a landslide victory with the biggest in loss for Labour in nearly 100 years - Oh thats right, thats EXACTLY what happened - you do know that don't you, I mean genuinely, you do know what happened, you can see just how big the Tory victory was can't you, you do know how massive the Labour loss was don't you - I have to ask because your quote makes it look like maybe you think the Tories did badly, because of your "non-Tory voting" Tory friends?

Not sure how you get that interpretation, but none the less, no that's not what I was saying at all....obviously.

My point was the issue of Brexit has cut across all traditional political lines and since the North (traditional Labour heartlands) was a heavy Leave area then no, it was not that much of a surprise in the outcome. A Brexiteer, no matter their traditional political colour, only had one party to vote for, Remainers had several. The anecdote about my "non-Tory voting Tory friends" was just another indication of this phenomenon, not a reflection on the final result. This was exacerbated by the completely useless Corbyn, but I don't think it would have changed that much even with a different Labour leader, if their stance on Brexit had been the same.

 

[ianh]

It's a bit glib to just say the US economy is doing well, without understanding what are the current drivers. Of course Trump wants to distract and take the credit when the stock market increases and ignore it when it falls, but in his base territories of the manufacturing rust belt, all's not so rosy. Which ironically is fall out from Trumps protectionist policies and trade wars, which were supposed to revive this sector.

We can all post news stories which directly contradict each other. Your stories suggest that low paid Trump supporters are doing badly - These stories all suggest that Trumps economy has created more Low Paid worker jobs aimed at the sort of people who would traditionally vote Democrat but are enjoying new jobs whilst seeing the Democrats leave a more "just left of central" position and turn far more left than most traditional Democrat voters are happy with - Almost sounds exactly like low paid Labour supporters who, against expectation, decided to vote Tory after being left behind by "their" party doesn't it ("Because of Brexit" answered in next quote below)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7764023/U-S-nonfarm-payrolls-increase-10-months.html

Donald Trump hails 'GREAT' jobs report as economy booms with 266,000 new jobs in November and 50-year low unemployment

• Donald Trump gloated about a 'blowout' new official report showed 266,000 new jobs were created in November
• Unemployment fell to 3.5%, keeping it at a 50-year low
  
• Wages were up 3.1% year-on-year
• Jobs boom was driven by consumer sector hiring and health care while 54,00 new manufacturing jobs included 44,000 returning GM strikers

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/w...us-economy-says-fundstrats-tom-lee-2019-12-09

‘We need to thank millennials’ for the booming U.S. economy, says Fundstrat’s Tom Lee

However, with the oldest millennial cohort quickly approaching 40 years-old, the generation is no longer a newcomer on the fringes of American business. In fact, the group is the major reason for the “impressive resilience of the U.S. economy,”

and from "anti-Trump newspapers too -

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/us/politics/trump-economy-impeachment.html

With Impeachment Unfolding Amid a Booming Economy, What Will Voters Prioritize?

“Were it not for the other factors of the Trump presidency, it should be by far the most popular presidency in history, based on the economics,” said Tony Fratto, founder of Hamilton Place Strategies, a public affairs firm, and a former spokesman for the Treasury Department under President George W. Bush.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-us-economy-jobs-numbers-obama-a9231391.html

The economy is booming under Trump — but not for the people who voted for him. And that's a big problem

It makes sense that an economy is stronger when it produces high-value, career-track jobs instead of spitting out an endless supply of low-paid Uber drivers and fast food gigs. But the Job Quality Index finds those low-value jobs are predominating under Trump. The JQI indicates over 63 per cent of all recently created jobs are low-wage, low-hour roles that don’t offer the benefits commonly associated with high quality employment.

So yeah, two different people can find polls and stories which help back our claims and we'll rarely look for those balanced stories (like I gave above) which don't make us feel all warn and safe that we are right and everyone else is wrong and without than balanced look, it's very easy to believe one version is the ONLY version, which would be a mistake I believe.

 

[ianh]

My point was the issue of Brexit has cut across all traditional political lines and since the North (traditional Labour heartlands) was a heavy Leave area then no, it was not that much of a surprise in the outcome. A Brexiteer, no matter their traditional political colour, only had one party to vote for, Remainers had several.

This was exacerbated by the completely useless Corbyn, but I don't think it would have changed that much even with a different Labour leader, if their stance on Brexit had been the same.

You believe that the reason Labour lost was mainly due to Brexit - Myself and anyone outside of that very narrow viewpoint can see that Brexit wasn't the main reason at all and we were predicting Labour would lose heavily (the scale did surprise me TBH) because actually door canvassers who did ask people saying that Brexit was only 3rd reason behind Corbyn and the Far left direction of Labour as subsequent polls have all pointed out.

However I'm sure that you may be able to find other polls which directly contradict this one below, just like I mentioned with the news stories above so you can always find (like I did) a poll/news stories which backs up a view which you find makes you happy.

In the end, people willing to look at the good and bad of both sides equally can usually see the whole event more clearly than those who are only willing to view one side, the side which makes them feel warm and safe that their opinion is the only right one, and it's those people who were surprised by Brexit in 2015, by Trump 2016, by UK 2019 and I think will be again by Trump 2020 - thats three "learn from your mistakes" lessons that people keep ignoring before next years elections.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/12/why-labour-lost-and-how-it-can-recover-epic-defeat

Why Labour lost – and how it can recover from an epic defeat - The party needs a leader who is popular in the country.

A post-election Opinium survey found that 43 per cent of those who did not vote Labour cited its leadership, compared to 17 per cent for its stance on Brexit and 12 per cent for its economic policies.

 

[jsmoke]

It's reality TV is it not?

Corbyn just not cool enough to be elected.

 

[mmj_uk]

I don't know why Corbyn being heavily defeated was such a surprise to everyone, when he ran against Theresa May (who couldn't have campaigned any worse) he did terribly as well but it was lauded as some great success by the media and his supporters because he had done slightly better than Ed Milliband, who had resigned following his 2015 defeat.

Labour have the same problem the US Democrats do, they either have no policies, bat **** crazy policies or think that they can just get elected on a platform of constantly attacking the opposition with labels like Russian stooge, Dictator, Nazi, Racist, Sexist, Xenophobe etc. It doesn't work with adults which is why they want a lower voting age.

 

[deuse]

snip.

The reason US steel has shut down places is not trumps fault.

"According to analysts, US Steel may have been forced to permanently idle its Detroit plant as the company struggles to compete with its rivals. The company has also been experiencing massive stock losses, with 2019 marking its third consecutive year of stock losses."

"US Steel spokeswoman Amanda Malkowski clarified that the closure of the company's Detroit facility doesn't mean that Trump's tariffs were not effective. Malkowski explained that the government's support has had an impact on the industry long-term recovery. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross echoed the company's sentiments and stated that US Steel likely decided on the closure as the plant was just too expensive to operate."

So all about the money.

https://www.btimesonline.com/articl...n-detroit-plant-and-lay-off-1-545-workers.htm

 

[mmj_uk]

Hunter Biden is 'linked to multiple criminal probes involving fraud, money laundering and a counterfeiting scheme'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-probes-involving-fraud-money-laundering.html

When do the trials start? it's clearly too late for impeachment and being a Democrat him and Obama are probably immune to political hit jobs anyway.

 

[chroniclard]

I don't know why Corbyn being heavily defeated was such a surprise to everyone, when he ran against Theresa May (who couldn't have campaigned any worse) he did terribly as well but it was lauded as some great success by the media and his supporters because he had done slightly better than Ed Milliband, who had resigned following his 2015 defeat.

Labour have the same problem the US Democrats do, they either have no policies, bat **** crazy policies or think that they can just get elected on a platform of constantly attacking the opposition with labels like Russian stooge, Dictator, Nazi, Racist, Sexist, Xenophobe etc. It doesn't work with adults which is why they want a lower voting age.

It worked for the Tories, you are just a massive dribbling hypocrite.

 

[VincentHanna]

That video is so stupid, it was US government policy also backed by the EU to get rid of the corrupt Ukraine official.

As opposed to: A president withholding aid to get a political rival investigated.

 

[Werewolf]

That video is so stupid, it was US government policy also backed by the EU to get rid of the corrupt Ukraine official.

As opposed to: A president withholding aid to get a political rival investigated.

You can say it a thousand times, it's not something he seems capable of understanding the difference between.

 

[The Geezer]

When do the trials start? it's clearly too late for impeachment and being a Democrat him and Obama are probably immune to political hit jobs anyway.

When will you stop spreading lies, I appreciate it’s a Trump trait tell a lie often enough then it becomes the truth. Even if it’s unsupported by the facts.

Biden was echoing both a US and European policy to get rid of a compromised / corrupt prosecutor. In other words he was carrying out a US policy rather than what Trump was caught doing, digging up dirt on a political opponent.