Streatham shooting: Man 'shot dead in the street' as police declare terror-related incident

Kainz said:
Just learnt that the geezer was from my ends too. Born and bred here (Harrow) and the missus and I are already looking away from this area for a place to live. It’s just overrun and not safe even during daytimes.
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Harrow? Mate lives there and it seems to be lots of
Indian origin families there...not a community I would necessarily associate with crime and disorder.

I stayed there once or twice and it seems fine but obviously it's different to living in a place. Where is it "overrun"?
 
The Law and Justice system needs a huge overhaul in this country. Unfit for purpose across the whole spectrum. Chav gangs running wild on estates, countryside crime, London gangs, county lines, terrorists etc etc. Someone like Farage should set up a Justice party next.
 
vanpeebles said:
The Law and Justice system needs a huge overhaul in this country. Unfit for purpose across the whole spectrum. Chav gangs running wild on estates, countryside crime, London gangs, county lines, terrorists etc etc. Someone like Farage should set up a Justice party next.
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Also car crime which all but vanished at one point and is now rampant again.
 
Hotwired said:
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It's a teenager running their mouth and getting involved with illegal information vs a woman offering $7000 to a "hitman" to murder her husband as a means to get his wealth.
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Both adults trying to get a 3rd party to kill someone or in his case 2 people.

Hotwired said:
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Teenagers do dumb stuff, he'd not proven the capacity to carry out the violent acts the sentence was meant to discourage.
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He was jailed for sharing terrorist manuals, which included a tutorial on homemade bombs.
Amman had already declared his wish to carry out a terrorist attack.
Stockpiled arms.
Openly praised Islamic State.
Urged his girlfriend to behead her parents.
Into knife fighting.
Spreading terrorist propaganda.
Was active in a family WhatsApp group in which he would share an Al-Qaeda magazine and incite violence toward Yazidis, insisting that the Muslim holy book – the Koran – permitted raping them.

but yea i guess boys will be boys
 
The only thing that's going to fix it is an increase in policing budgets and numbers (which were slashed by the Tories). But the government doesn't care, because they all get nice houses, in nice areas, and if they're really important, armed protection. While the rest of us have to make do with combating terrorism with narwhal tusks and plastic crates.
 
"At the time of Amman's release there were concerns about the danger he might pose to the public but there were no legal mechanisms to keep him in prison, BBC political correspondent Chris Mason said."
other than just letting him serve out the sentence he'd originally been given? :-/

"Dave Chawner, who had been on the way to the cinema, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I heard what I thought at that time was a car backfiring."
lol, didn't we just have a thread about this?
 
VincentHanna said:
Harrow? Mate lives there and it seems to be lots of
Indian origin families there...not a community I would necessarily associate with crime and disorder.

I stayed there once or twice and it seems fine but obviously it's different to living in a place. Where is it "overrun"?
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We’ve got a lot of Muslim families moving into the area now thanks to mosques appearing. Indian families such as mine are slowly moving outwards as Europeans move in. Most of the older Muslim families are ok but some of the newer ones on my road are hardcore and go out a lot at late nights and come home early mornings which raises eyelids. They don’t integrate well with anyone so no one knows anyone much anymore.

Wealdstone down the road from me is a disaster. Has been ever since the police station on the main road closed. Stabbings and shootings during daytimes folks have become used to thanks to two gangs running the area. Nowadays I just go out of my ways to avoid certain ‘hot’ streets at night. I certainly don’t want my kids growing up here hence why the missus and I have been looking further away.

Everywhere you look over here there’s a sodding barber shop and chicken shop - nice breeding ground for trouble and there always is.
 
Dis86 said:
Hotwired said:
Minor crime is an echo of Dis86 previously using the term to reference this persons initial crime. I don't disagree with the term for what the initial crime actually was.



You don't seem to care for the facts I said about the certain penalties to society of arbitrarily longer sentences but feel free to reference short vs long sentences applying to a guy whose concealed reason for living was to die in a suicidal terror attack. Something he never did before, kept secret to get his early release, and will never re-offend either.

I need convincing that studies on reduced reoffending rates apply to suicidal terror crime. I have this feeling they don't.
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I never said it was a minor crime. Under the terrorism regs it's classed as a minor terrorist offence.
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Great discussion Dis86, go for the irrelevant semantics and quote but ignore my negative criticism of your claims on sentencing.
 
Kainz said:
Wealdstone down the road from me is a disaster. Has been ever since the police station on the main road closed. Stabbings and shootings during daytimes folks have become used to thanks to two gangs running the area. Nowadays I just go out of my ways to avoid certain ‘hot’ streets at night. I certainly don’t want my kids growing up here hence why the missus and I have been looking further away.
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I think you might be on to something.
 
Hotwired said:
Great discussion Dis86, go for the irrelevant semantics and quote but ignore my negative criticism of your claims on sentencing.
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The semantics are important. You've repeatedly gotten the facts wrong on a point you're trying to argue so should start getting then right.
 
VincentHanna said:
You would normally lose your **** when people are put away for writing hateful stuff...I thought that violated your free speech ethos?
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It's funny how ignorant you are. You haven't even learned the absolute basic tenet of free speech, which is that it doesn't apply to a direct call to action. Do you need me to explain free speech to you like a 3 year old so you can understand how and why my viewpoints are consistent?
 
Skunkworks said:
Maybe we need a Mosque tax. After all, we tax other dangerous things to offset their cost.
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Back since the days of IRA terrorism (which the Catholic Church failed effectively to reject) I have been firmly of the view that if any religious organisation fails to condemn violence, theft, rape or anything else that most rational people would consider inexcusable, all manifestations of that religious organisation should be denied charitable or protected status.

If a religious organisation fails unequivocally to condemn evil it effectively excuses it.

rxodium said:
The only thing that's going to fix it is an increase in policing budgets and numbers . . .
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100% agree, plus greater funding for the prison and rehabilitation services.

Kainz said:
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Wealdstone down the road from me is a disaster. Has been ever since the police station on the main road closed. . . .
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Maybe the Government should think about reversing the Law-n-Order budget cuts?

Kainz said:
. . . Everywhere you look over here there’s a sodding barber shop and chicken shop - nice breeding ground for trouble and there always is.
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WHAT :confused:
I know, ban KFC and insist that everyone sports long hair and a beard?
Now you are just being ridiculous :rolleyes:
 
Amnesia said:
Both adults trying to get a 3rd party to kill someone or in his case 2 people.
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You really think it's equal.

She's offering the money to a "hitman" to carry out his job of killing people, a huge chance of murder being carried out if it wasn't actually an undercover agent.

He's telling his girlfriend that she should kill her infidel parents, among his other obsessions with extremism. Her motivation to do any of that is completely unmentioned, which is a positive thing.

Dis86 said:
The semantics are important.
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Is that so.

Well I can't bear the thought of that getting in the way of you answering the meaningful negative criticism regarding your long sentences proposal so lets correct that right now.

Hotwired said:
[Minor terrorism offences] is an echo of Dis86 previously using the term to reference this persons initial crime. I don't disagree with the term for what the initial crime actually was.

You don't seem to care for the facts I said about the certain penalties to society of arbitrarily longer sentences but feel free to reference short vs long sentences applying to a guy whose concealed reason for living was to die in a suicidal terror attack. Something he never did before, kept secret to get his early release, and will never re-offend either.

I need convincing that studies on reduced reoffending rates apply to suicidal terror crime. I have this feeling they don't.
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My expectations are set at a low bar for a meaningful reply since if you had anything you'd have said it rather than scraping the barrel for semantics for a comeback.
 
Hotwired said:
You really think it's equal.

She's offering the money to a "hitman" to carry out his job of killing people, a huge chance of murder being carried out if it wasn't actually an undercover agent.

He's telling his girlfriend that she should kill her infidel parents, among his other obsessions with extremism. Her motivation to do any of that is completely unmentioned, which is a positive thing.



Is that so.

Well I can't bear the thought of that getting in the way of you answering the meaningful negative criticism regarding your long sentences proposal so lets correct that right now.



My expectations are set at a low bar for a meaningful reply since if you had anything you'd have said it rather than scraping the barrel for semantics for a comeback.
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It's like you need spoon feeding. The whole point is that he was jailed for a minor terror offence. Not a minor offence as you first tried to assert. See, semantics are important.

By providing a longer initial sentence you increase the chance of reformation, in this case the removal of said terrorist ideologies, as they can engage in meaningful programmes of a useful duration. All the while the public are kept safe from a potentially dangerous individual.
 
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stockhausen said:
Back since the days of IRA terrorism (which the Catholic Church failed effectively to reject) I have been firmly of the view that if any religious organisation fails to condemn violence, theft, rape or anything else that most rational people would consider inexcusable, all manifestations of that religious organisation should be denied charitable or protected status.

If a religious organisation fails unequivocally to condemn evil it effectively excuses it.
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https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/video-news/article38524932.ece

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Ryan_(Irish_priest)
 
My nephew knew of him at the local college he went to here in Harrow back in 2018. He was even known back then to be chatting ***** in class about ISIS, the teachers never eve said anything of course because they would be accused of some kind of 'ism' or phobia. The UK is ****** useless.
 
Let a guy out who is a known risk, a high enough risk that they put armed police on him ...... seems like a sensible course of action.

Ah well, one less scumbag I suppose.
 
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