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A defender is a fuel cell car that actually makes sense given how much you see them towing.

That said they are much more of a mainstream vehicle these days and that groups would be better off with a BEV for the most part.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
A defender is a fuel cell car that actually makes sense given how much you see them towing.

That said they are much more of a mainstream vehicle these days and that groups would be better off with a BEV for the most part.
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Correct. Fuel cell cars as especially suited to vehicles carrying loads/towing. Most people will sadly end up buying one even though they never tow or carry anything.
 
It is when they are just bought for the look and spend 100% of their lives in Chelsea.

Not only is it a brilliant price of kit wasted, they are just unnecessarily polluting for the job.

I think that’s what the person above was getting at.
 
Is it also sad when anything else wasteful happens? Why do people apply this to cars. Going on holiday, or having a house which is larger than strictly necessary to shelter you is no different….
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
You need to apply the appropriate amount of salt with any battery and Tesla related rumours.

Sure the cells will be better and cheaper but 50% cheaper is considerable. At the end of the day, the entire globe is cell limited for EV and battery storage products. When these new higher density cells come out, they'll just use less of them in each product to get a similar result as they do now but they'll be able to build more products with them.

I really can't see the Tesla hatchback having more range/power than the Model 3 does now.
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The model 2 should be really interesting, i did read a LOL article on autocar saying it'd be £18,000 which is never going to happen. You'd think everyone would have learnt from the model 3 when all the websites just converted the American pre tax price directly into pounds without taking shipping and local taxes in to account and declared it'd be something like £29k which was clearly never going to happen.

But a nice model 2 at £23-25k with similar range to the SR+ (200ish real world) would be a perfect car for me and a lot of people.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
It is when they are just bought for the look and spend 100% of their lives in Chelsea.

Not only is it a brilliant price of kit wasted, they are just unnecessarily polluting for the job.

I think that’s what the person above was getting at.
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I know that's exactly what they were referring to, much like most highly optimised sports cars have people going for a 'thrash' and push on when really they are only pulling 0.35-0.4G.

Nothing 'sad' about Defender keeping lots of people in work.

Unless you have all driven a Honda Insight for 12 years then commenting on polluting nature of excess is pure hypocrisy in my book :p

sovietspybob said:
The model 2 should be really interesting, i did read a LOL article on autocar saying it'd be £18,000 which is never going to happen. You'd think everyone would have learnt from the model 3 when all the websites just converted the American pre tax price directly into pounds without taking shipping and local taxes in to account and declared it'd be something like £29k which was clearly never going to happen.

But a nice model 2 at £23-25k with similar range to the SR+ (200ish real world) would be a perfect car for me and a lot of people.
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Its about as interesting as a Model S Plaid+ ....
 
I've had a quote for two charging points at work using the governments voucher scheme and it seems the voucher value of £700 is just trousered and the original cost is the same.

I'm not sure what they need to do but the current method just doesn't work. Actual cost to me for two charging points fitted without the vat will be £1099 so not terrible but the voucher thing irks me!
 
peige said:
I've had a quote for two charging points at work using the governments voucher scheme and it seems the voucher value of £700 is just trousered and the original cost is the same.

I'm not sure what they need to do but the current method just doesn't work. Actual cost to me for two charging points fitted without the vat will be £1099 so not terrible but the voucher thing irks me!
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So buy the chargers yourself, and pay an electrician? Ignore the voucher.
 
I've got a brand new BMW 120d x-drive m sport whilst my Mini electric is in for repairs after an idiot rear ended me at roundabout. It's a nice car but it's so sluggish compared to the Mini electric. Also I've spent more on diesel in a week that I've spent on charging my Mini in 3 months.
 
peige said:
I've had a quote for two charging points at work using the governments voucher scheme and it seems the voucher value of £700 is just trousered and the original cost is the same.

I'm not sure what they need to do but the current method just doesn't work. Actual cost to me for two charging points fitted without the vat will be £1099 so not terrible but the voucher thing irks me!
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I can’t see how you could get two chargers installed for £1100 without the voucher.

A charger on its own is the best part of £500.
 
it is annoying that because there's grants/vouchers for chargers they're almost all just inflated in price but not sure what could actually be done about it? If the grants went away i guess they'd have to come down to what they should actually cost?
 
sovietspybob said:
it is annoying that because there's grants/vouchers for chargers they're almost all just inflated in price but not sure what could actually be done about it? If the grants went away i guess they'd have to come down to what they should actually cost?
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This is my point. I've read that the installers have to jump through a few hoops to be "approved" but the whole scheme seems borked and the voucher ends up pointless. It looks to me like the actual install cost (after voucher) is pretty much top end ballpark for the job.

Pricing up a basic install using my own electrician now.
 
peige said:
This is my point. I've read that the installers have to jump through a few hoops to be "approved" but the whole scheme seems borked and the voucher ends up pointless. It looks to me like the actual install cost (after voucher) is pretty much top end ballpark for the job.

Pricing up a basic install using my own electrician now.
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Yeah I have the same thoughts. seeing authorised people in the voucher scheme quoting up to £450 for install just so you can use the voucher does seem to have just put everybody's prices up.

Like you I am getting my sparky to quote me, he will be coming to do some rewiring work this summer anyway so may be best if I buy the box and get him to install it.
 
Journey said:
You can use the QUBEV chargers (very compact IP67 rated) they are ~£170+ VAT.
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But that will not be like for like and depending on what charger is actually being quoted for there could be other install costs.

For example it may not have built in RCDs or earth fault detection and the chargers being quoted for may have it built in to the charger.

Just looking at the charger cost on its own doesn’t really give the whole picture.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
But that will not be like for like and depending on what charger is actually being quoted for there could be other install costs.

For example it may not have built in RCDs or earth fault detection and the chargers being quoted for may have it built in to the charger.

Just looking at the charger cost on its own doesn’t really give the whole picture.
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Your just said you can't do it for less than £1099 + VAT which is what was behind asked about. ~£340 + VAT for two of these leaves £750 + VAT for the installation, which is easily doable.

You didn't mention any specific charger or anything else in your original statement.
 
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