Zen 3D V-Cache Ryzen CPUs May be Available in December 2021

[TNA]

So are Intel by looks of it. Intel have put far more effort into talking about everything surrounding ARC and Ponte Vecchio. Clearly Ponte Vecchio and ARC is Intel’s main focus and rightly so IMHO.

Ponte Vecchio, will no doubt be an amazing platform. I’d love to have a system based around it.

Intel have held their hands and finally admitted to the security issues and disregard for small level commercial users and proper enthusiasts. I just hope ARC gets a fair shake, as the people driving Intel graphics had nothing to do with the former nonsense.

Your 1800X has security issues also does it not?

Have you considered upgrading to a 5800X? Not done the maths on this but 4.1GHz on your CPU must be like 2.5GHz or so on a 5800X.

 

[Joxeon]

It is very decent, but its not an 8 core CPU, no matter how much Intel are desperate to hark back to the Bulldozer vs Sandybridge days it has the same number of cores as AMD's chips, not half.

I'm just waiting to see which tech journalists say it has half the core of Zen 3 to see which ones are on Intel's pay role.

I still think it will be the mid to lower end where Intel have an advantage as for the first time in a long time they will be packing more cores than AMD equivalent CPUs.

 

[LePhuronn]

they will be packing more cores than AMD equivalent CPUs.

But they aren't, yet they are. It's going to depend entirely on how well the OS can schedule the cores. If Intel get it bang on the money then those 6+4 i5s are going to stomp the 5600X because of the 4 little cores bolstering the 6c/12t big part.

If the schedule totally bodges up to the point the little cores don't do anything, then Intel will have core count parity and performance will be marginally higher (unless 3D stacked Zen comes to the lower SKUs as well).

This is a key point that really can't be speculated on, it literally has to wait until Alder Lake with proper OS support lands.

 

[jigger]

Your 1800X has security issues also does it not?

Have you considered upgrading to a 5800X? Not done the maths on this but 4.1GHz on your CPU must be like 2.5GHz or so on a 5800X.

My sig is old.

 

[jigger]

But they aren't, yet they are. It's going to depend entirely on how well the OS can schedule the cores. If Intel get it bang on the money then those 6+4 i5s are going to stomp the 5600X because of the 4 little cores bolstering the 6c/12t big part.

If the schedule totally bodges up to the point the little cores don't do anything, then Intel will have core count parity and performance will be marginally higher (unless 3D stacked Zen comes to the lower SKUs as well).

This is a key point that really can't be speculated on, it literally has to wait until Alder Lake with proper OS support lands.

And for all the middleware to catch up. Performance will probably be a little hit and miss for a while.

 

[TNA]

My sig is old.

So what do you have then? Takes 2 seconds to update a sig.

 

[jigger]

So what do you have then? Takes 2 seconds to update a sig.

I have 5 systems, well actually 7 and two laptops. And another one the way. Plus a half finished cluster. And a pair of servers.

 

[TNA]

I have 5 systems, well actually 7 and two laptops. And another one the way. Plus a half finished cluster. And a pair of servers.

You spend longer typing all that then answering the question or updating your sig

I got loads of systems in my house too, but only 1 is my main one and that is in my sig.

 

[jigger]

You spend longer typing all that then answering the question or updating your sig

I got loads of systems in my house too, but only 1 is my main one and that is in my sig.

It takes time to go through them all.

 

[TNA]

It takes time to go through them all.

So you are not aware of your latest or best system and don’t recall your latest build? Lol

 

[jigger]

So you are not aware of your latest or best system and don’t recall your latest build? Lol

What is best depends what I’m doing and one upgrade has a trickle effect. Particularly with the AM4 kit.

 

[TNA]

What is best depends what I’m doing and one upgrade has a trickle effect. Particularly with the AM4 kit.

Geez. You have spent longer dodging the question. Will leave it at that.

 

[jigger]

Geez. You have spent longer dodging the question. Will leave it at that.

Oh, no we won’t. We’ll go through my systems one at a time.

Dell XPS 13
10657G
16gb 3733Mhz
3840x2400
With crumbling rubber anti slip pads that Dell refuse to accept as a defect. Should probably waited and gone with a HP Ryzen 4700U, but the XPS screen is so nice!

 

[NZXT30]

Any chance these will work on b450?

 

[humbug]

Any chance these will work on b450?

That's a good question, i don't know but these are Zen 3 (Ryzen 5000) with a huge lump of cache stacked on top, if its Zen 3 compatible it should, unless this needs a BIOS update in which case its down to your motherboard vendor.

 

[opethdisciple]

So the ETA on these is Dec?

I'm mulling over a 5600x purchase which I was close to buying yesterday.

 

[Joxeon]

So the ETA on these is Dec?

I'm mulling over a 5600x purchase which I was close to buying yesterday.

Would wait till Alderlake releases as CPUs like the 5600X will be seeing big price cuts.

 

[opethdisciple]

Would wait till Alderlake releases as CPUs like the 5600X will be seeing big price cuts.

When is that?

 

[humbug]

Edit: Around the same time ^^^^^^^^^^

So the ETA on these is Dec?

I'm mulling over a 5600x purchase which I was close to buying yesterday.

Apparently so but i'm not sure if they are going to do 3D stacking right the way down the range, these will be EPYC Milan-X salvage parts, IE those that don't quite make the silicon quality for server, which is how we get all our Desktop CPU's, there is no reason why they couldn't make a 5600X3D with them but they might like to keep them for higher end parts as the supply of them is not going to be infinite.

If you can wait do that and see then.

 

[Joxeon]

When is that?

Probably around October.