Soldato
Ok, so trust in the law then to protect your rights. Our current overlords have great form
Tories lost the 2019 election among working age adults
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Ok, so trust in the law then to protect your rights. Our current overlords have great form
Caporegime
Ahhh. OK. What aspect of work do you feel isn't adequately covered by existing legislation?
That’ll go down well with the prols on Benefit Street.
No thanks, I’ll pay more tax, I like my valuable home, what are you going to do, send in the Stasi?
The proletariat is not interested in that, blaming the Conservatives is much more fun.
There seems to be a huge problem with looking ahead - manufacturing in this country ultimately was on a downwards trajectory even with good management (which wouldn't have gone amiss) - there was a complete failure to invest in emerging industries to gain first mover advantage, skill/training transitions, etc. for people in dying industries and so on.
Caporegime
They're called bailiffs. But...yeah.
I freely admit that I don’t know enough about this stuff but I was under the impression that bailiffs were used to evict people for either not paying their rent, or if the landlord/owner of the house wanted possession of his property.
I own my house outright, mortgage paid up over twenty years ago.
I can well imagine that Corbyn the misanthrope, and his sociopathic lieutenant McDonnell, (had they successfully flanneled the electorate), might see me as a robber baron who should be put up against the wall and shot, in order to move a couple of families on benefits into my Thames-side mansion, ignoring the fact that I worked my **** off to buy it, but I don’t think that that nice Mr. Johnson, nor Ms. Priti Patel would send the bailiffs round to evict someone from property that they live in and own outright.
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Caporegime
Courts would if you didn't pay your taxes.
Try to keep up Dis, I’ve already said in post # 603 that I’d pay more tax to stay in my valuable home
Soldato
Ah but you didn't work hard, you clearly profited off the backs of the working class and their hard labour to be able to buy a house, capitalist pig dog!!!!!!
To me, socialism and it's like are based on an ideology of envy and naivety - "that man can't have become rich solely because of his own hard work (naivety), he must have screwed over someone lesser than him to get where he is and that isn't fair so lets take everything from him (envy)" etc. Happily and also conversely sadly, the real world isn't that black/white and that's where the childlike naivety comes in as proponents of socialism want to believe it really is that simple to fix complex economic and social issues by simply redistributing wealth because that's "fair".
Ah but you didn't work hard, you clearly profited off the backs of the working class and their hard labour to be able to buy a house, capitalist pig dog!!!!!!
To me, socialism and it's like are based on an ideology of envy and naivety - "that man can't have become rich solely because of his own hard work (naivety), he must have screwed over someone lesser than him to get where he is and that isn't fair so lets take everything from him (envy)" etc. Happily and also conversely sadly, the real world isn't that black/white and that's where the childlike naivety comes in as proponents of socialism want to believe it really is that simple to fix complex economic and social issues by simply redistributing wealth because that's "fair".
Your opening shot caused me to take a sharp intake of breath, then I read on
and realised that you are more like my brother from another mother
Caporegime
Ah but you didn't work hard, you clearly profited off the backs of the working class and their hard labour to be able to buy a house, capitalist pig dog!!!!!!
Knowing what he's told us about his career, he didn't work hard
What people are annoyed at, that has been ignored by many are two key facts. This is the first time that the average pensioner earns more than the average worker. Yet than pensioner who earns more is not being asked to contribute more. Instead the workers who earn less are in order to primarily help those pensioners earning more.
The second is that we are currently in a position of the largest gap between average income and property values. Those striving to own a property have never had it harder and they are now being hit with further taxes to the benefit of those who never had it easier.
It's far from fair. There are better solutions.
Knowing what he's told us about his career, he didn't work hard
What people are annoyed at, that has been ignored by many are two key facts. This is the first time that the average pensioner earns more than the average worker. Yet than pensioner who earns more is not being asked to contribute more. Instead the workers who earn less are in order to primarily help those pensioners earning more.
The second is that we are currently in a position of the largest gap between average income and property values. Those striving to own a property have never had it harder and they are now being hit with further taxes to the benefit of those who never had it easier.
It's far from fair. There are better solutions.
Granted I didn’t work hard, i.e. when I was truck driving there were times when I had to load and unload cargo by handling it, I avoided this kind of thing whenever humanly possible, I preferred hauling oil tanker trailers or containers that were unloaded by crane/fork truck, or a host of warehousemen walked in and out of the container to load/unload it, while I sat in the tractor cab reading a book or newspaper.
Driving a Black Cab was a doddle, they got in, they got out, they paid me, no labour involved.
So right, I DIDN’T work hard, but I was out of my home for hours, even days and weeks when I was trucking to Athens, Budapest, and Warsaw.
As for my present income vis-à-vis the average wage, I understand the average wage to be £31,461 p.a., my combined pensions come to £1136.68 p.a., so I’m NOT earning more than the average worker, so how can I help the poor and downtrodden?
My house is worth £1.5 million plus, so I’m a millionaire on paper, but that’s where I live, and I have no desire to move, am I still an enemy of the people?
Caporegime
These people have no desire to pay more tax...but they have to. If they don't they're an enemy of the people and will literally be imprisoned for it.
You don't seem to get that you're not in the average pension, the key word there being average. Also if you're only earning a pension of 1100 per year you haven't fully paid in to national insurance so are literally a prime example of what I'm saying about people taking more than they're giving and expecting to be propped up! Yea, your state pension might be stymied but you will still receive the full social benefits despite limited contributions.
Soldato
The pensioners who have already contributed a life-times worth need to contribute even more????
I agree with that, but not the second half of the quote "to the benefit of those who never had it easier" - again, those people have already spend decades and decades and DECADES paying money and now your preference would be to hit them for more cash to subsidise those who haven't contributed anywhere near as much???
How about we just kill all pensioners, problem solved for you and the world will be all sunshine and rainbows
In fact, a Logun's run style "death at 65" has a lot of benefits in a defined lifetime, no pensions so more money for people, less issues on the NHS & care homes, more housing available etc. Thinking about it logically it's the best way forward!
Soldato
I'm working class so I'll never ever vote Tory. I just don't understand folk who vote Tory but also work for a living.
Caporegime
The pensioners who have already contributed a life-times worth need to contribute even more????
I agree with that, but not the second half of the quote "to the benefit of those who never had it easier" - again, those people have already spend decades and decades and DECADES paying money and now your preference would be to hit them for more cash to subsidise those who haven't contributed anywhere near as much???
How about we just kill all pensioners, problem solved for you and the world will be all sunshine and rainbows
In fact, a Logun's run style "death at 65" has a lot of benefits in a defined lifetime, no pensions so more money for people, less issues on the NHS & care homes, more housing available etc. Thinking about it logically it's the best way forward!
Their life time contributions evidently haven't been enough to cover their care. Why shouldn't they pay more?
The tories screwed up the logans run option by protecting the old, again at the expense of the young with lockdowns and locking out NHS treatments to allow for the mass occupation of wards by elderly covid patients.
Soldato
Maybe most adults aren't forced to think in such binary terms. Maybe there's context and nuance, pro's and con's to each side that adults seem to be able to understand quite easily rather than the simplistic "Tory party bad, X party good" thought process you've decided to follow.
For most people their contributions are enough though. However following your quote would disproportionally effect the poorer pensioners (who tend to be Labour voters) rather than the more "well off" Tory voting pensioners. So why do you hate the poorer elder so much and want to make their suffering even greater by taking even more money from them? That seems to be at odds with your "the elderly vote differently than me and should be ignored" sentiment which, again, is a black/white statement completely at odds to complex reality.
Caporegime
Which is why I've said base the tax on assets...
I’ve never been anything but blue collar working class, and I’ve never voted Tory, although I wanted them to govern.
I’m a big believer in helping those in society who obviously need help, but I’m not too keen on giving benefits and housing to shysters who can work, (providing jobs are there), but don’t want to,
The Tory candidate stood little chance in my constituency, so my wife and I both voted Liberal-Democrat in an effort to keep Labour out, it worked for years, but Labour got in in 2015, at least I think it was 2015.
I can live with that, that’s democracy.
I’m still struggling to see where I fit in here, if you mean that I have no desire to pay more tax, then you’re bang on the money, does anyone WANT to pay more tax?
HMRC know that my State Pension is £748.40 per month, and tax me on it accordingly, likewise my small private pension of £388.27 per month.
If I paid limited contributions over the years that’s because I paid whatever successive Chancellors asked for.
I suppose I could have volunteered to pay more, and maybe get a larger State Pension, but my take was, why pay more than the government is asking, I could get hit by a bus tomorrow.
The only social benefits that I take are a free travel pass, and care from NHS, this is very kind of TFL and the Department of Health and Social Care, but I contributed whatever the government asked for to qualify for what I get.