Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Those two B-52s from Brize Norton (CHIEF11 & CHIEF12) have a really strange flightpath. They didn't overfly France and Spain but went down the coast and swung over the Straights of Gibraltar. They're flying in formation with a KC-135 (LAGR96) which looks to have refuelled them just South of Almeria and they are now heading up into the med.
 
Rroff said:
Why on earth would I be talking about light fighter jets? was a slight auto-complete error when I put light instead of line.

EDIT: As an aside my comment is in relation to pre-T-90M variants of the T-90 - with the M they sorted many of the issues with new fire control systems, new engines, etc.
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Where is proof of those issues in T-90? Where is proof T-90 had issues with fire control and engine. Russian made T-90 that is. Not Indian made.

Mind you so bad that they ditched them for T-80 as you claim.

Ok, lets forget the ‘light’. Please backup claims where Russia has single digits top of the line fighter jets.

Again Mig-35 and Su-57 are not fighter jets.

Here is your quote again

in reality at one point recently they only had single digit numbers of some of their top line fighter jets combat operational, they've mass refit t-80s because of crippling issues with the 90 and 14, etc.
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Rroff said:
I was clearly generalising - I'm not going to bother getting into the nitty gritty of fighter vs attack vs multirole.
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So if you were generalizing its even worse. You basically claimed that Russia has only few single digit combat operational modern aircraft. That included Multirole, Attack and Fighter. All together since you were generalizing.

So again, what about T-90 crippling issues?

in reality at one point recently they only had single digit numbers of some of their top line fighter jets combat operational, they've mass refit t-80s because of crippling issues with the 90 and 14, etc.
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Enkore said:
So if you were generalizing its even worse. You basically claimed that Russia has only few single digit combat operational modern aircraft. That included Multirole, Attack and Fighter. All together since you were generalizing.
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It is clearly not what I was saying, even with generalisation. It is pretty asinine to even suggest that is what I was claiming.

When you start actually engaging with what I actually posted rather than asinine takes on them which I clearly wouldn't have meant by any rational logic I'll take more time with my replies.
 
Rroff said:
It is clearly not what I was saying, even with generalisation. It is pretty asinine to even suggest that is what I was claiming.

When you start actually engaging with what I actually posted rather than asinine takes on them which I clearly wouldn't have meant by any rational logic I'll take more time with my replies.
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Ok please explain what you meant here.

in reality at one point recently they only had single digit numbers of some of their top line fighter jets combat operational, they've mass refit t-80s because of crippling issues with the 90 and 14, etc.
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And also backup the recent claim. Where is the proof of those issues with T-90.


EDIT: As an aside my comment is in relation to pre-T-90M variants of the T-90 - with the M they sorted many of the issues with new fire control systems, new engines, etc.
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Rroff said:
It is clearly not what I was saying, even with generalisation. It is pretty asinine to even suggest that is what I was claiming.

When you start actually engaging with what I actually posted rather than asinine takes on them which I clearly wouldn't have meant by any rational logic I'll take more time with my replies.
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Just add him to the blocked list mate, clearly a troll
 
Enkore said:
Ok please explain what you meant here.
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If I had meant fighters - why would you come back with a list of multirole then later quibble over the definition of fighter jet? and why if I used the term some would you somehow come to the conclusion I was claiming Russia's mainstay modern jet fleet was only single digit total?

woppy101 said:
Just add him to the blocked list mate, clearly a troll
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I know that is why I'm low effort replying.
 
Rroff said:
If I had meant fighters - why would you come back with a list of multirole then later quibble over the definition of fighter jet? and why if I used the term some would you somehow come to the conclusion I was claiming Russia's mainstay modern jet fleet was only single digit total?

I know that is why I'm low effort replying.
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I did not come back with a list of Multirole. That list included modern jets in Russian fleet of various roles. Of which the only single digits were multi role, Su-57 and Mig-35. That list did include modern fighters and not single one was in single digits

You specifically said, single digit modern fighters. The list showed that there is no single digit modern fighters in Russian arsenal.


Again, what about your T-90 claims? Do you have any proof to backup problems with Russian made T-90’s that were so bad they went ahead with T-80 upgrade as you said?

I’m not trolling, I just find it hilarious that you can’t just admit that you were wrong on T-90 having such major issues. Since theres zero proof of it.

Your original quote again.

in reality at one point recently they only had single digit numbers of some of their top line fighter jets combat operational, they've mass refit t-80s because of crippling issues with the 90 and 14, etc.
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Enkore said:
I did not come back with a list of Multirole. That list included modern jets in Russian fleet of various roles. Of which the only single digits were multi role, Su-57 and Mig-35. That list did include modern fighters and not single one was in single digits

You specifically said, single digit modern fighters. The list showed that there is no single digit modern fighters in Russian arsenal.


Again, what about your T-90 claims? Do you have any proof to backup problems with Russian made T-90’s that were so bad they went ahead with T-80 upgrade as you said?

I’m not trolling, I just find it hilarious that you can’t just admit that you were wrong on T-90 having such major issues. Since theres zero proof of it.

Your original quote again.
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https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/35427288

Your image there only has multirole - there is another broken image tag but I have no idea what that was supposed to be but if it was a general list of modern jets again why would that be relevant to the wording I used?
 
Rroff said:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/35427288

Your image there only has multirole - there is another broken image tag but I have no idea what that was supposed to be but if it was a general list of modern jets again why would that be relevant to the wording I used?
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Are you going to backup your claims about T-90 having massive crippling issues?

That list did include broader range of planes. It mattered because you specifically went after fighter jets. Per your quote.

Rroff said:
I said some of their top line models which includes some of the upgraded SU-27 variants where only 3-8 of some variants out of an on paper 30+ were actually useable for combat.
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Where is this upgraded Su-27 that only 3-8 of them were usable?

Which Su-27 variants only have 3 to 8 operational when more than 30 are claimed to be?
 
Enkore said:
Are you going to backup your claims about T-90 having massive crippling issues?

That list did include broader range of planes. It mattered because you specifically went after fighter jets. Per your quote.



Where is this upgraded Su-27 that only 3-8 of them were usable?

Which Su-27 variants only have 3 to 8 operational when more than 30 are claimed to be?
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Boring hell fire, give it a rest.
 
Enkore said:
Are you going to backup your claims about T-90 having massive crippling issues?
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Also you keep mentioning the Indian built T-90s having issues - but most of the original batch which they were complaining about were Russian imported ones - though there was an agreement to build ~50% of the initial allocation in India it didn't happen like that due to component delays, etc. they ended up fulfilling the first 2 contracts from Russian produced stock.

https://thediplomat.com/2019/11/ind...illion-deal-for-464-t-90ms-main-battle-tanks/

It is the later M variant and their own later assembled models which have been the reliable ones.

(I have no idea what tranche the two which broke down at the 2017 games belonged to).
 
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Enkore said:
Are you going to backup your claims about T-90 having massive crippling issues?

That list did include broader range of planes. It mattered because you specifically went after fighter jets. Per your quote.



Where is this upgraded Su-27 that only 3-8 of them were usable?

Which Su-27 variants only have 3 to 8 operational when more than 30 are claimed to be?
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Are you Russian by any chance? Sitting there waiting for the motherland to invade?
 
woppy101 said:
Are you Russian by any chance? Sitting there waiting for the motherland to invade?
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I’m just curious. So when Ubersonic goes on to say that Ukranians have advantage in tanks in both quantity and quality over Russians - then proceeds to rate Russian fully upgraded t-90 below T-64. Crickets.

When Rroff claims that Russian T-90 is total unreliable disaster, so much so they started pulling T-80 out of storage. Without providing single proof - also crickets.

When Rroff says apparently some variants of Su-27 - that claim to have 30+ units, out of those - actually only 3 to 8 units are combat operational. Not a single source or indication of anything. Crickets.

Ubersonic also said earlier that Ukrainian S-300 is basically equivalent of Russian S-400 because Ukrainians have upgraded it that well. Again with zero sources on how that is even possible, to make such leap in technology. And why would Ukraine ask for patriots if they are able to freely make S-400 level SAM - crickets

After reading that closer, so he claims that all Ukranian sam systems have been upgraded to top tier Russian level. So that BUK is now upgraded to equivalent of Russian BUKM3. Zero proof once again

Again, not a single troll or vastly Ukraine biased comment here.

They still have ~70 Buks and 90 Kubs, plus ~250 S-300. Almost all of these have been upgraded since 2014 so are comparable to the latest Russian models (the Ukrainian spec S-300 are practically on par with the Russian spec S-400)
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Because I am asking for proof to back up these claims - I am Russian, waiting for the motherland to invade. Jesus, has the idiocracy arrived already?
 
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