Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[adam cool dude]

It's been a long time since we have had a proper war thread. All those CnC red alert keyboard generals all start to come out .

 

[Stumble Bum]

Can we ban Enkore please. He's clearly working for the Russian state, trying to play us all for fools.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58441662
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades

I heard that he has Putin posters all over his bedroom walls.

 

[adam cool dude]

I heard that he has Putin posters all over his bedroom walls.

and Drago from Rocky IV.

 

[potatolord]

I haven't played that in years. But I spent most of my A Levels in the 1980's playing it in the 6th form common room. It's an epic game.

I haven't played that for years.

Jeez, I remember walking home at about 5am after one marathon session.

 

[alchal]

jeez guys just 1v1 warhammer or something then make peace

One does not simply play Warhammer then make peace.

Can we ban Enkore please. He's clearly working for the Russian state, trying to play us all for fools.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58441662
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades

Quite possibly, we have some Chinabots on here as well, I go on tanknet forums a lot, now that is full of rusbots! It's scary the bullcrap they spout as gospel.

You could post a picture of a rock and they all be adamant it's a glass of water and it's a western conspiracy.

 

[The Funktopus]

Reminds me of my experience playing Flanker and it’s iterations before it morphed into what’s now DCS. The boards were full of basically “Russia will wipe the floor with the west!” “Western stealth doesn’t work, mystical Russian plasma stealth is best!” And any questioning of these assertions or asking where this all comes from were just met with cries of “You’re just jealous!” “You’re just anti-Russian!” etc.

 

[413x]

I fancy playing some red alert 2. Yuris revenge.

 

[Hades]

I am Russian, waiting for the motherland to invade.

Hmm, quite an admission there! Hiding in plain sight

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Are you Russian by any chance? Sitting there waiting for the motherland to invade?

Has probably migrated across from the DM and FB comment feeds that are filled with Russian posters.

 

[McBain]

I heard that he has Putin posters all over his bedroom walls.

 

[Washout]

Saw an interesting post about how the views on platforms like twitter etc relate to a tiny % of what the actual public think. But they get blown up to seem like it's what the majority think. Views in the online world are then echoed in the MSM as though that's what we're all getting riled up about. When in truth most people don't care. I guess this leads to a 'cancel culture' for fairly minor stuff. Flip side to people in the past doing truly awful stuff and getting away with it. A total over correction.
Russians seem to have pretty much mastered the use of SM for sowing discord, confusion etc. Promoting or encouraging views that ordinarily would be pretty far out there. Sometimes even then contradicting themselves just to add to the confusion. Putin's media folk would even start anti government discussions, arrange protests and then turn up. Knowing they'd be recognized and instantly killing the movement (figuratively, although I'm sure sometimes literally) as no one can trust anyone anymore.
Shame, as the internet really should be a tool to be used to broaden your pov but instead becomes a series of polarizing echo chambers.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Shame, as the internet really should be a tool to be used to broaden your pov but instead becomes a series of polarizing echo chambers.

You also have to blame companies such as Facebook,who knew they were actively pushing people into smaller and smaller echo chambers:
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/facebook-knew-radicalized-users-rcna3581
https://news.sky.com/story/facebook...ts-says-whistleblower-frances-haugen-12444405

If small outfits like Cambridge Analytica could exploit this,it makes you wonder what state funded actors could do.

But then you see it even in our hobby. People never really used to defend the corporate antics of companies jacking up prices of stuff,but now you have people literally repeating marketing talking points(which is not acting in their own interests).

 

[throwaway4372]

It's just the opinion of Californians - because the tech HQs are there. Want a better internet? Stop letting California dictate to you.

 

[bingham67]

Wow FORTE 12 still flying the drone going round and round back on itself I thought to see that gone back to base at this time.

 

[englishpremier]

They've been sourcing drones/UAVs from Turkey amongst other stuff drone related.

The US has been flying the Global Hawks, etc. in Ukraine air space and nearby gathering intel over the border into Belarus and Russia.

My understanding was Ukraine was now manufacturing their own under licence/approval from Turkey.

There's always the chance that as soon as enough equipment is in Belarus for the "invasion" Lukashenko announces that Belarus has re-joined Russia and he is now president for life of the Belorussian Oblast xD

Would be hilarious if once the Russian equipment is in Belarus, Belarus then proceeded to seize it.

... My fear is that they go all out and do roll into eastern europe and perhaps even into some western parts of it.


Whose to say if Russians roll into Latvia with tactical nuke use, the Americans won't just say - 'yeah no, we good'. After all, they'd have to call for conscription and people will be fighting somewhat decent (slightly inferior) army and not men on donkeys with ak-47's. I'm sure Russians would resort to tactical nuke use in case of any mobilization and pushback by the U.S.

Given that a united EU alone (without UK or US) could prevent a Russian invasion of anything other the Baltic states I think it's less than unlikely. Even an invasion of the Baltic wouldn't work well in a prolonged war with the EU. Russia would be giving up Kaliningrad as that would be attacked, Belarus would likely be considered fair game if it offered Russian support. A front could also be opened up in the north creating a further distraction for Russia.

The issue would be getting the EU to actually unite on a decision rather than bickering.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Given that a united EU alone (without UK or US) could prevent a Russian invasion of anything other the Baltic states I think it's less than unlikely. Even an invasion of the Baltic wouldn't work well in a prolonged war with the EU. Russia would be giving up Kaliningrad as that would be attacked, Belarus would likely be considered fair game if it offered Russian support. A front could also be opened up in the north creating a further distraction for Russia.

The issue would be getting the EU to actually unite on a decision rather than bickering.

Apart from the fact both France and Germany have access to nukes,the biggest issue is whether Russia has enough capability to sustain operations far away from its territories. It's one of the biggest areas of investment the US has made in its military. For example they have more air refueling tankers than the whole of the world combined,and the combined tanker fleet of the EU is easily more than what Russia has. This is why Russia usually pokes along its borders,because its close to home and the moment they lose any degree of air cover,it is not going to end well for them.

 

[Nerusy]

Lately I see a lot of concern that Russia might invade further than Ukraine. People are concerned if the EU/NATO would be able to stop the advance of the Russian horde but this is such a crazy concept for me. What reason does Russia have to invade other countries? For Baltics I can see it, the ones that have large Russian ethnic minority (similar style to Georgian/Ukrainian breakaway republics), so NATO is useful there to prevent any of that but for countries like Poland, Romania, Hungary, what would be the objective. During USSR the objective was to spread communism (which in reality was centrally planned perpetually transitioning economy into communism system), so it made sense to be cautious back then. However what is the incentive for Russia to invade central Europe.

I read average people view and normal people in say Sweden or Norway are legitimately scared of a potential Russia invasion. That's just so bizarre.

Edit: to clarify I think defence should always anticipate everything, even unthinkable, so military infrastructure/training is needed for everything but for average person to be legitimately concerned about impending invasion in my view is just pure paranoia.

 

[mccarf]

I read average people view and normal people in say Sweden or Norway are legitimately scared of a potential Russia invasion. That's just so bizarre.

Edit: to clarify I think defence should always anticipate everything, even unthinkable, so military infrastructure/training is needed for everything but for average person to be legitimately concerned about impending invasion in my view is just pure paranoia.

I don't think it's bizarre. Pretty much all of Europe has a long history of warfare but Russia has remained quite unpredictable and hostile compared to most.

 

[thenewoc]

I haven't played that in years. But I spent most of my A Levels in the 1980's playing it in the 6th form common room. It's an epic game.

i've only ever seen adverts for it. It is on my bucket list to play one day.

 

[413x]

If Russia went any further the world wouldn't just sit by.
Finland? Absolutely not. It would be game over/nuclear war stuff.