Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Efour said:
Has anything happened over night?

From midnight... Was a big air raid expected in Kyiv when I went to bed.
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Few battles/air strikes (some quite intense but localised) in areas away from Kyiv, mostly around the east side of the country (Kharkiv) and some incremental movements (mostly uncontended) from Russia forces towards Mariupol. Some isolated sabotage type events in Kyiv which were quickly dealt with.

Other than that it has been oddly quiet the last few hours - ton of radio chatter though supposedly which probably means they are planning something big - not verified but apparently a lot of the Russian forces north of Kyiv were demanding air/artillery cover before moving again.

EDIT: Dunno how critical that oil depot is to Ukrainian military activities but it was hit pretty hard, they've apparently managed to salvage some tankers but lost a lot of stuff there.
 
Mik3 said:
Its been surprising today watching the allies sudden unity on sanctions, weapon shipments and all the other little things each country is doing to help, last week we were all bickering over small things and we looked incredibly weak and now sudden unity and strength. I wonder if this makes Winne the pooh think twice about his plans to attack Taiwan.
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I think it has, also I think the reason he wants dialogue is because he's afraid that he could lose Putin and a pro China government in Moscow.

Could be a monumental blow to poo bear if Putin is gone and they turn west after this!?
 
Malevolence said:
Was speaking to a friend of mine earlier, he's a Lt. Col (Ret) in the USAF who used to fly the Combat Talon II, and he was amazed at how woeful the Russians have been to date, in fact I believe he said something along the lines of 'they'd exceeded all his expectations of ineptitude'. To take Kyiv, he said the Russians would absolutely need to take and secure an airport in order to bring in troops, equipment and to set up a FOB. This is something they appear to be abjectly failing at.
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Kyiv is gonna be a tough one to crack - it is huge with undulating terrain with lots of tree cover, wide open roads (but can quickly turn into highways of death) and strategically positioned concentrations of high-rises - an armoured push could rapidly get to the middle of it but not actually accomplish anything in doing so and probably end up annihilated before they could extract themselves.

With even 200K soldiers you'd struggle to surround and besiege it if even a few thousand soldiers are combat effective against you and taking it will mean repeated 300-500m iterations of holding armour back to cover the open ground, using infantry to flush out the immediate area, calling in air support if needed to flatten dug in positions, move up armour, repeat many many times.
 
That's what I said unless Russia go full on destruction/massacre mode they are going to be sitting ducks, they will be picked off here and there, from alleyways or high up in apartment buildings an RPG or sniper will be waiting, then there's IEDs, they are brutally effective.. Urban warfare. Kiev would be decimated if they were to win, personally I think it will all fizzle out.
 
alchal said:
I think it has, also I think the reason he wants dialogue is because he's afraid that he could lose Putin and a pro China government in Moscow.

Could be a monumental blow to poo bear if Putin is gone and they turn west after this!?
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I see a lot of people saying China would use this conflict while the world is distracted to attack Taiwan - but from what I understand China is 3-5 years away from that - they can't just roll in tanks and their amphibious warfare capabilities are still in development, even with the fancy ferries, etc. they still need more and with the high air force requirements able to not only bring a lot of aircraft in but quickly turn them around (sortie rate) they need to build a lot more airbases in the vicinity and only one of those is complete - while they have a lot of air bases in the general region the distance makes them vastly less than ideal.
 
Looks like Kharkiv is under a lot of pressure currently - new push of Russian light armour apparently.

EDIT: Looks like mechanized infantry - armoured cars and so on with trucks.
 
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Rroff said:
Kyiv is gonna be a tough one to crack - it is huge with undulating terrain with lots of tree cover, wide open roads (but can quickly turn into highways of death) and strategically positioned concentrations of high-rises - an armoured push could rapidly get to the middle of it but not actually accomplish anything in doing so and probably end up annihilated before they could extract themselves.

With even 200K soldiers you'd struggle to surround and besiege it if even a few thousand soldiers are combat effective against you and taking it will mean repeated 300-500m iterations of holding armour back to cover the open ground, using infantry to flush out the immediate area, calling in air support if needed to flatten dug in positions, move up armour, repeat many many times.
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It's a bit ironic (and rather fitting) that the soviet nostalgia that Putin is basing his empire on is actually what's hurting his military.
 
StriderX said:
It's a bit ironic (and rather fitting) that the soviet nostalgia that Putin is basing his empire on is actually what's hurting his military.
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As they touched on with the S2 Underground video Malevolence linked to there is a certain irony to what is going on in that the kind of approach Russia is using in Ukraine was ultimately the undoing of Germany in WW2 in the same place.

Reading this makes some sense as to their current approach though it is heavily airbrushed vs the reality and seems an unobtainable goal anyhow as things stand - they are going to have to go in heavy to have a chance of demilitarising Ukraine any time soon.

On February 24, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a special military operation based on a request from the heads of the Donbass republics. The Russian leader stressed that Moscow had no plans to occupy Ukrainian territories and the goal was to demilitarize and denazify the country. Russia’s Defense Ministry reported later that the Russian Armed Forces were not delivering strikes against Ukrainian cities. The ministry emphasized that the Ukrainian military infrastructure was being destroyed by precision weapons and there was no threat to civilians.
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https://tass.com/russia/1411997
 

Pretty light stuff by the looks of it that has made it into Kharkiv.

Looks like someone has finally persuaded them to dismount - but without the heavy armour component to go with it or any real tactics.

EDIT: Sounds like Kharkiv has pretty much fallen - seems like defenders have taken fairly heavy losses and pulling out.
 
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Rroff said:

Pretty light stuff by the looks of it that has made it into Kharkiv.

Looks like someone has finally persuaded them to dismount - but without the heavy armour component to go with it or any real tactics.
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Not much situational awareness going on there. Imagine if that was an platoon of Ukrainians with a couple of DShKs in that house rather than a bloke with a phone. They'd have been chewed to bits.
 
Uh anyone know why there are F35s and RAF Typhoons over Poland heading towards Kaliningrad?

Assuming some kind of exercise as they are spreading out over Poland.
 
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If the order to take the capital at any cost by Monday is true then today will be brutal. I assume they’ve ordered it before the new wave of weapons get into defenders hands making taking the city near impossible without ludicrous losses.

I’m delighted Kyiv is holding so well. I’m gobsmacked amazed at Kharkiv lasting as long as it has given its location. May not be over there yet either as the Russians bombarded the outskirts into dust it seems. Hopefully the defenders just pulled back rather than got wiped out
 
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Don't actually see that very often - generally the F35s don't show up.
 
Russia's idea of 'negotiation' is to attempt to host it in a country that also attacked Ukraine, clearly just a tactic to imply Ukraine doesn't want to talk and to try to gain credibility for their spurious accusations that Ukraine is the aggressor.

Hopefully Kyiv can hold out for a few more days because a tragedy of the commons is about to hit Russia's populace when they begin to realise what's happened to their economy.
 
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