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No they should not give up anything and get back Crimea, Russia is on its knees economicaly and military and demand puttin to quit along with his meatheads.

Screw the teddy bear down.
 
Jono8 said:
If Ukraine get get it down to simply losing crimea and recognising the separatist regions as independent + EU but not NATO membership, I think that might be worth considering.

It's still **** , but could save a lot of bloodshed, and years of war and turmoil.
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Russia have been known to be very honest in their geopolitics. I'm 100% sure this will work out fine.
 
SPG said:
No they should not give up anything and get back Crimea, Russia is on its knees economicaly and military and demand puttin to quit along with his meatheads.

Screw the teddy bear down.
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Back in reality there is almost no chance Ukraine is getting back Crimea, it's got a population of 2.4 million.

Just as Russia is facing a hostile population in Ukraine how do you think Ukraine would be able to take Crimea at this point? It's one thing to defend against invaders, it's completely another to try and launch your own large invasion.

Russia has only invaded part of Ukraine so far and that took months of build-up and over 100k troops to achieve and... they're getting absolutely hammered in ambushes on their supply convoys etc.. the population is putting up resistance.
 
iamtheoneneo said:
Russia have been known to be very honest in their geopolitics. I'm 100% sure this will work out fine.
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Oh i agree that i wouldnt trust them. However, as a way to stop the war and the inevitble escaltion in terms of Ukrainian deaths and destruction of the country, it is probably better to at least try and make a deal now and regroup.
 
SPG said:
No they should not give up anything and get back Crimea, Russia is on its knees economicaly and military and demand puttin to quit along with his meatheads.

Screw the teddy bear down.
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As Dowie has said above, Ukraine are not getting Crimea back whatever happens.
 
The Teddy bear will be scraping together roubles for the years he has left to try and rebuild his military.

Crimea is gone, other territory will follow. Question is at what cost, via negotiation or bloodshed.
Minimum he wants is a land bridge to Crimea

Putin played his hand and that will be his "reward"
 
Ahleckz said:
My late father who passed away in 2015 married a Ukrainian who was a university professor in Kyiv. They lived together in Scotland at his death but soon afterwards she moved back to Kyiv and the relationship between her and I broke down and we had no further contact.
It doesn't sound like the current rules that the government have in terms of visas would support her in coming back to the UK, and I have no idea if she would - they lived in Prague before returning here so he could have treatment for his illness but there wasn't the plan to reside here indefinitely.
I've found her on Facebook and her current job is listed as working for the British Council. I've reached out to her to see if there's anything that I can do to help. I'm not really expecting a response, but I think it's important to do what I reasonably can. If I do, and if appropriate, I'll update the thread.
I first met her in a bar in Kyiv where she was celebrating the end of the academic year with her students, and they were a lovely welcoming bunch and I was shown a great city by great people. Very sad.
I should have probably reached out earlier than today, and I can only hope that her and her two adult kids are well.
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And, in what is testament to the amazing connectivity of our world, I have a response.
She and her family are in Kyiv and she tells me her area is relatively quiet and safe although she can hear the frequent shelling and explosions. They are worried that water, gas and power May be cut off soon which will make things “a bit more difficult” but thankfully are safe. She has said that she “wishes we could beat the Russians and throw them from our land soon”. Perhaps most remarkably, she ended her message asking how my family are.
Just shows how gracious these people are. As the shells land, she is enquiring about my family.

Fingers crossed they and the rest of the people are well.
 
0007 said:
*Latvian Foreign Minister Rinkevics Calls for Permanent Presence of U.S. Troops in Latvia, in Response to “Recent Developments”
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1500832851490705410
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That's no surprise really. There is going to be quite a push back from the Latvians as a general anti-Russian sentiment has been growing for many years. There was a referendum a few years ago to make 'Russian' an official language in Latvia. Latvians from all around Europe were mobilised to make sure it didn't pass - I was dragged to a voting station in Birmingham by my missus so she and friends could vote and register their 'disapproval' of such a notion.

Interestingly Latvia has a higher percentage of ethnic Russians than Ukraine and the second largest city, Daugavpils in the east, is nearly all ethnic Russian.

So, if Putin wanted to save the ethnic Russians in Latvia from the same inhumane treatment that the ethnic Russians in Ukraine were apparently experiencing then he has his reason to invade - though the fact that there's no oil there and they're also in NATO might put him off.
 
Ahleckz said:
And, in what is testament to the amazing connectivity of our world, I have a response.
She and her family are in Kyiv and she tells me her area is relatively quiet and safe although she can hear the frequent shelling and explosions. They are worried that water, gas and power May be cut off soon which will make things “a bit more difficult” but thankfully are safe. She has said that she “wishes we could beat the Russians and throw them from our land soon”. Perhaps most remarkably, she ended her message asking how my family are.
Just shows how gracious these people are. As the shells land, she is enquiring about my family.

Fingers crossed they and the rest of the people are well.
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Yeah, all the best to her and her family :)
 
Jono8 said:
As Dowie has said above, Ukraine are not getting Crimea back whatever happens.
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If they concede Crimea, the need to leave the door open to NATO membership.

One of the sticking points for NATO membership seems to be contested territory. If they get Russia to leave and "solve" the contested territory issue, they could put themselves in a much better position to join NATO.
 
I keep seeing people say "Ethnic Russians" and I genuinely don't understand what they are on about. There is no such thing as an ethnic Russian. They are all ethnic Slavs. Ukrainians, Russians, Poles, etc.
To be fair, Latvia and Estonia are more related to the Finnic peoples than the Slavs but still. My point stands.
 
Rilot said:
I keep seeing people say "Ethnic Russians" and I genuinely don't understand what they are on about. There is no such thing as an ethnic Russian. They are all ethnic Slavs. Ukrainians, Russians, Poles, etc.
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It's Putinist propaganda, nothing else. Same ethnonationalist bullhickey that Hitler used in WW2.
 
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