Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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haha brilliant
Joe Rogan is that you ... how long before the likes of netflix invest in media/real-news.
pictures don't seem very extensive ? - eg. of the column when it originally formed - I guess they don't want to show any defensive positions ?
This is true, but look at the list of non-NATO EU countries: Austria, Cyprus, Finland, Ireland, Malta and Sweden. Of those, there is no way that the UK wouldn't defend Ireland; Germany is never going to let Austria fall, and Italy is also almost certain to come to it's defence (not to mention that you have to get through NATO countries to mount that attack in the first place); Finland and Sweden have very good relations across the EU, and are extremely close to the other Scandinavian states; and Malta is too strategically important to the Mediterranean states for them to allow it to fall. Meanwhile Turkey occupies half of Cyprus and the UK has a base there. I don't think any of these countries would actually be left to stand alone against aggression.
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Railway logistics is great if you're defending your own country, especially back in the days before cruise missiles could be launched from a thousand miles away and take out multiple key bridges/junctions, but not so good to rely on in modern warfare, especially when you're the attacking force.
If anything rail is more vulnerable than road, a single well timed explosive device and you've not just got one or two trucks but the equivalent of dozens of trucks worth of equipment is stalled and requires very heavy equipment to clear.
From what I've read the Russians spend a fortune on their military railway equipment, but could probably have done well to have spent some more time looking at how other countries keep their armed forces supplied.
It strikes me almost as if they learned some of the lessons from WW1 where narrow-gauge rail was used to great effect to move supplies to near the front*, but at the same time forgot all the lessons since.
*There is a narrow gauge railway/museum type thing near me that has at least one of the engines used in WW1 and IIRC they've restored it to how it looked at that time (I think it was originally used in a sand quarry near where it is now, then in WW1, back to the quarry, sold to India then rescued from the scrap heap, I think they've also got a couple of the traction units designed for the front).
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It has been really odd seeing them seemingly relearning all the lessons from the 1930s onwards when it comes to war.
I assume spoofed ADSB data rather than hacked.
I did wonder about that - but the number of satellite options up there and the ability for the West to get replacements up relatively quickly probably makes it somewhat a waste of time and a war of attrition they'd likely lose if it escalated. Possible they might try it immediately before a big push though.
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Also what happened to being stuck in the mud, flat batteries, no fuel, no food, freezing weather for days and flat tyres? Press have been reporting it as if the whole convey was stuck for weeks and wouldn't move. Some were even saying vast areas had been flooded on purpose so no chance of that changing until mid spring.
So they've found a way out at least with some of the armour I assume. No good at all, there's a huge amount of it in that convoy. Can only hope updated Sat images help the Ukranian's target those. Clear they are a significant threat to Kiev.
[/QUOTE]Compared to Russia using endless convoys of trucks, how would Western forces do it differently?
I assume there would be a lot more air power involved? Chinooks and the like? establish forward bases then work backwards from there?[/QUOTE]
US B2 bombers would make massive difference for starters
I assume there would be a lot more air power involved? Chinooks and the like? establish forward bases then work backwards from there?[/QUOTE]
US B2 bombers would make massive difference for starters
Establishing air superiority is rather important to minimising casualties.
yeah, I think I have 800 hours in DCS A10-C, love that game. It's hard to imagine that those are 30mm rounds...
Agreed, however I think the main concern is their Russian jets could be disabled or Russia simply stops supplying replacement parts before an invasion.
I decided to read up a bit on the history of Ukraine and the "bloodlands". What's interesting is the suffering that Ukraine underwent when part of the Soviet Union particularly under Stalin. Collectivisation in the late 20's and 30's brought starvation and expulsion to millions of Ukrainians. Literally millions of people died and Stalin and his communist party blamed the famine and deaths on forces within Ukraine who were desperate to prove that communism didn't work and therefore were prepared to die in starvation to prove it. Grain requisitions targets were progressively increased and even demanded that "seed " grain was surrendered further perpetuating famine, death and cannibalism. At the same time Stalin was de=populating Ukraine Hitler was eyeing it as the future way of feeding the German expansion that he was planning through the 30's. WWII then proceeded to see the country battled over and used to host a number of extermination camps.
It's a horrific fairly recent history but also shows how the culture of oppression and genocide implemented by Hitler and Stalin has echoes in the current Russian rhetoric and how the state places little or no value on its citizens. Distressingly it will likely be the citizens of other poorer nations who are reliant on Ukrainian agricultural exports who will be drive towards starvation this time.
It's a horrific fairly recent history but also shows how the culture of oppression and genocide implemented by Hitler and Stalin has echoes in the current Russian rhetoric and how the state places little or no value on its citizens. Distressingly it will likely be the citizens of other poorer nations who are reliant on Ukrainian agricultural exports who will be drive towards starvation this time.
For a starting point, our logisitics (and the US) were well tested during Iraq and Afganistan. We certainly laid out a large military force in those two countries without relying on road convoys throughout Europe
However EU has already stated it will terminate the NordStream gas line.
I think Hungry may end up eating its words if France, German and Italy decide it so..
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