You can disagree with me sure, but you cant with the science to be fair. This isnt to say that the carnivore diet doesnt work, its just that we shouldnt be anti carbs just because we like carnivore better. Carbs arent the mass evil some try and make them out to be, and infact a balanced diet of any kind can provide us with equal results all around.
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I feel that most of todays health issues related to diet come mainly from the fact a lot of people in the modern world eat very little that resembles food found in nature. Most diets rely heavily on processed foods both carbohydrates and fat/protein.
Rather than because people eat too many plants.
Saying that I also believe that whatever works best for the person in question is the best lifestyle to live.
Rather than because people eat too many plants.
Saying that I also believe that whatever works best for the person in question is the best lifestyle to live.
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Actually you can argue with the science when a lot of it has been bought and paid for by big business. Sugar companies for example have been verfiably proven to have bribed scientists, I believe in the 1960's to blame fat and not sugar for peoples drastically increasing obesity and health problems. One of these scientists became the head of the American medical association and continued to perpetuate this lie. They AMA eventually printed a retraction and the memos etc can be found online.
It's very interesting. But the only thing that would concern me in this day and age is that we're not personally going out and killing these animals, fishing, etc. ourselves. Who knows what the heck is going on with antibiotics/hormones in the meat these days. I'd have to go organic for complete peace of mind and then it would cost an arm and a leg. Of course, I haven't been bothered so far but if that was to become the main part of the diet, I'd certainly think more about the source of the meat.
We're quite fortunate in this country that our meat is a higher quality in general than say America, but you're right it's not perfect. That said, it's still far better for you than anything else. Though I do agree wit @tom_e that the removal of processed crap is a huge benefit to health.
It's actually cheaper than you might think, yes meat is expensive but when that's all your consuming, you need to eat less than you might think. The fat you need is usually free or very cheap and with not needing to buy anything else it won't cist you near as much as you expect.
I do need to exercise some major self control when I go past the vending machines in our office
I'm still bouncing around the 16st range so still a 3st loss but not fussed atm dropping further, my lifting strength is great at the moment so I'm going to hit my next 2 week strength cycle and then try another mini cut before my holiday in May to push into the 15s.
Chucked out all my old xxl/42" waist stuff this weekend and bought a load of L/XL/36" waist clothing, feels good, except on the wallet anyway.
Chucked out all my old xxl/42" waist stuff this weekend and bought a load of L/XL/36" waist clothing, feels good, except on the wallet anyway.
If you want to just look at the studies paid for by companies that will benefit from the results sure, but thats not what ive done, or those that I follow do either, so again, you really cant argue with the science.
You seem to be very anti anything else but carnivore and unwilling to keep an open mind on things. Its important to keep an open mind on this, especially because one option/path/plan might not (highly unlikely to) get you to your end goal. At which point what will you do?
Just because carnivore is working for you, doesn't mean it is the only thing that would work for you. Its working for you because you are in a calorie deficit, its the number 1 rule of losing weight, to do so you must be in a deficit. You feel better and more energised not just because you've changed your diet to carnivore, but because you changed your diet full stop. You are also probably moving more and reacting to the change positively.
Im interested to know what exactly it was you had to eat from a western diet that made you feel this way, you mention it was something you used to eat, part of the diet that got you to the weight you hit before you made your changes, I wouldn't be surprised its made you feel this way, that's not a carb problem, that's a choice problem.
Over the last 3 weeks of my diet break eating at maintenance (with the aim not to lose weight) I've had plenty of treats, ice cream, fish and chips, chocolate brownies, Chinese takeaway, Indian takeaway, pizza, my first mars bar in ages. All in moderation and on no single occasion did i feel sluggish or have a rock hard stomach. In these last 3 weeks I've not gained a single bit of weight. Guess its all the evil poisnous carbs im eating that are keeping me healthy!
It does come across a little like he's trying to recruit us into a cult...
Likewise. I feel great these days too. Not that I eat loads of veg. I generally don't cut anything out, I just eat in moderation and control my calories.
Not that I'm trying to dissuade anyone. If it works for you, great! But I wouldn't generally push any one way of doing it onto someone. Different things work for different people. Just find what works for you
(I think all of them will come down to a calorie deficit though)Look, everyone is entitled to their opinions on this stuff and I'm certainly not trying to recruit anyone. The results speak for themselves. The issue here is that the conventional wisdom is currently enamoured with the calories in/calories out method. Much in the same way how doctors used to recommend smoking cigarettes it doesn't mean that they will always recommend the current models. The other huge issue is there's no long term scientific clinical setting studies into carnivore but then there isn't such studies for any diet. At a minimum you would need sets of identical twins from birth who never left the lab until death.
Simple fact is, science is slowly starting to catch on for example the recent study that showed keto is more effective at treating alzhiemers than any medication on the market. We're also starting to see more and more scientists and doctors promoting carnivore across the globe.
If something does go wrong for me eating this way then sure I'll rethink but nothing has led me to believe that I will.
What I can tell you with absolute certainty is I'm not moving anymore than I did before I started. Physically isn't possible for me. I also doubt, although I can't prove that I'm not in a calorie defecit. I may only eat once or twice in a day now but the sheer volume of meat and fat I consume in each meal is roughly 2lbs. I also only cook in animal fats, bacon grease and butter.
I've struggled with my weight since I was a child, I've also tried every conceivable diet with exercise when I was able-bodied and I've always failed. I've always been ravenous with a huge appetite and felt ill. Even on keto, while I lost weight I felt awful. Now I don't.
Oh the meal I ate was spag bol, something I've eaten thousands of times before and never felt that way.
Simple fact is, science is slowly starting to catch on for example the recent study that showed keto is more effective at treating alzhiemers than any medication on the market. We're also starting to see more and more scientists and doctors promoting carnivore across the globe.
If something does go wrong for me eating this way then sure I'll rethink but nothing has led me to believe that I will.
What I can tell you with absolute certainty is I'm not moving anymore than I did before I started. Physically isn't possible for me. I also doubt, although I can't prove that I'm not in a calorie defecit. I may only eat once or twice in a day now but the sheer volume of meat and fat I consume in each meal is roughly 2lbs. I also only cook in animal fats, bacon grease and butter.
I've struggled with my weight since I was a child, I've also tried every conceivable diet with exercise when I was able-bodied and I've always failed. I've always been ravenous with a huge appetite and felt ill. Even on keto, while I lost weight I felt awful. Now I don't.
Oh the meal I ate was spag bol, something I've eaten thousands of times before and never felt that way.
Yes, I don't think anyone is saying it doesn't work. It was just suggested that it might not work for everyone and everyone needs to find what works for them. It has been suggested there is more than one way to achieve it and it just feels like you're trying to say this is the only way.
Again, I don't think anyone is saying your way is wrong, well done for what you've achieved. Others use different ways and that's fine too.
To me personally, it doesn't seem logical to eat calorie-dense foods. I try and do the opposite. It makes sense to me that you feel full when your stomach fills up, not when you eat a certain amount of calories. I also seem to get hungry 2 hours after eating, almost no matter what I've eaten...
Yes, I don't think anyone is saying it doesn't work. It was just suggested that it might not work for everyone and everyone needs to find what works for them. It has been suggested there is more than one way to achieve it and it just feels like you're trying to say this is the only way.
Again, I don't think anyone is saying your way is wrong, well done for what you've achieved. Others use different ways and that's fine too.
To me personally, it doesn't seem logical to eat calorie-dense foods. I try and do the opposite. It makes sense to me that you feel full when your stomach fills up, not when you eat a certain amount of calories. I also seem to get hungry 2 hours after eating, almost no matter what I've eaten...
That's totally fine mate, and if I'm not being clear I apologise. I'm not suggesting that this is the only way just that from the studying I've done I believe it's the best way and I've tried to share some information. People can and should do whatever they feel is best. I do believe that if people gave it 45 days though they'd agree with me lol
There's a reason why you're always feeling hungry pal, I was exactly the same. I think it's got something to do with hormone receptors and insulin but I'm not sure off the top of my head. Can say I can guarantee you won't be hungry in 2hrs eating like I do and I just listen to my body.
I hate to break it to you but the only reason you are losing weight is because of exactly this, you are now eating in a calorie deficit. The mechanism you are using to achieve this is the carnivore diet, which is working for you and that’s awesome, however you aren’t breaking the laws of thermodynamics I’m affraid!
Also very much doubt you aren’t moving around more, the shear fact you weigh less and are way less sluggish will be an indicate that your NEAT activity is up.
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This is precisely why i lost weight when working from home. I come into the office, go to buy some dinner and come out with this!
I used to love those mini pork pies! Don't be too hard on yourself if you lose track a little!!
Oh dear, I thought you were over your injuries. How about swimming?
I too am slimming, rather modestly compared to others here. I'm down to 127 kg from 131 kg over the past month (blipped 126 this morning) and it's not just fluid loss. I'm doing it the old-fashioned way: eating less. About every other day I have a light eating day; I don't starve myself.
Hello mate, how are we? Sadly not, I am waiting to hear about hydrotherapy now I'm under 28st. Weighed myself this morning, down to 27st 4lbs another 3lbs down. Odd considering I roughly calculated my calorie intake yesterday as approximately 7,975 not counting what was eaten in the fats added. Although that's not the norm, I normally only eat Omad.
1kg of pork belly, then 500g of 70/30 mince with 10 rashers of streaky bacon and 250g of cheddar cheese.