Armed gang violence. What's going on in Liverpool?

Horrendous. That poor mother will regret that moment of opening the door for the rest of her life.

I just hope gun fire never did cross her mind before she opened that door. As if it did, that may make it impossible for her to except she bares no responsibility, which she should not.
 
Chris Wilson said:
"The man being chased was also shot and remains in hospital in a serious, but not life-threatening, condition.
Detectives have not yet spoken to him and he has not been arrested."

Says it all really, what a state our police forces are in these days.
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You seem to have missed out the more crucial information from that news story.

Police hunting the gunman who shot dead a nine-year-old girl at her home in Liverpool have been given the name of a suspect by two different sources.
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Mysterae_ said:
We do, but we also need to tackle the reasons why mostly men (arguably?) get caught up in such things. Is it lack of prospects, peer pressure, the environment they are brought up in or nature/nurture?
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My probably non-politically correct opinion is that a lot of this is due to single parent families. Young men often grow up with no strong male figure in their lives; an absent father and no male authority figures. There are many reasons for this of course, from useless fathers to mothers that push the father away and men wanting to work with children (such as school teachers) nowadays being too scared of accusations to go into teaching. It can lead to young men finding those authority figures in gangs etc.

As a society we have weakened and devalued the role of strong men and the family unit and this is now what we get.
 
Efour said:
I dont wanna be an ahole but surely she wasnt murdered.... The POS didnt intend to kill her... Wreckless as F but he wasnt aiming at her just anything in the way.
The shooter still deserves to rot in hell
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Interesting one. I would have presumed that would be murder.

A lot could be going through his head. Sees the guy run in to a house, "I'm just gonna kill the people in there as I go". He might have thought they were his friends/family and needed to end them the same way.

It might not be premeditated murder, but still murder?
 
I would consider the most reliable source of information about the shooters is the man who was chased, shot and then driven to hospital by three "friends" whilst abandoning the shot mother and daughter to their fates. I'll put £20 on the police knowing the man in hospital, they should be poking their Biros in his bullet holes to cajole some information out of him :) Instead they're probably doing risk assessments and checking every utterance with their legal teams for any trace of politically incorrect innuendo, whilst sending a rainbow wrapped squad car to get the guy a burger and some fags.
 
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Hades said:
My probably non-politically correct opinion is that a lot of this is due to single parent families. Young men often grow up with no strong male figure in their lives; an absent father and no male authority figures. There are many reasons for this of course, from useless fathers to mothers that push the father away and men wanting to work with children (such as school teachers) nowadays being too scared of accusations to go into teaching. It can lead to young men finding those authority figures in gangs etc.

As a society we have weakened and devalued the role of strong men and the family unit and this is now what we get.
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Ports have historically always been crime ridden places for just that reason, father figures at sea and not there to instill discipline, gender responsibilities and normalities.
 
Chris Wilson said:
I would consider the most reliable source of information about the shooters is the man who was chased, shot and then driven to hospital by three "friends" whilst abandoning the shot mother and daughter to their fates. I'll put £20 on the police knowing the man in hospital, they should be poking their Biros in his bullet holes to cajole some information out of him :) Instead they're probably doing risk assessments and checking every utterance with their legal teams for any trace of politically incorrect innuendo, whilst sending a rainbow wrapped squad car to get the guy a burger and some fags.
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wheres the part about sending mass of officers to peaceful events to do some dancing and social media time?
 
Hades said:
men wanting to work with children (such as school teachers) nowadays being too scared of accusations to go into teaching
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Those men who want to work with children and yet are concerned about being accused are exactly those men who do **** to be accused of :cry:
 
Hades said:
My probably non-politically correct opinion is that a lot of this is due to single parent families. Young men often grow up with no strong male figure in their lives; an absent father and no male authority figures.
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I'm not disagreeing but when I worked in a Juvenile Offenders Prison a lot of the lads Dad's were also in prison.
Two of them told me they had to take on their Dad's businesses (drugs).
 
They cannot be very good shots in Liverpool, remembering the young Everton supporter shot dead a few years back as collateral damage to gang warfare. Just happened to be walking past a pub.
 
So they've arrested the 35 year old in hospital, for breaching the terms of his licence...
All just scum really.
 
Le Clandestin Brun said:
Those men who want to work with children and yet are concerned about being accused are exactly those men who do **** to be accused of :cry:
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That's quite a mental stretch. There has been a constant push against masculinity and demonising most men as predators. Who can blame completely safe and innocent men for deciding a job working with children isn't the best career decision.
 
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