Australian skills shortage

Raymond Lin said:
The biggest problem with Australia for me is where it is, it’s so far away from everything, except New Zealand I guess but it’s not a massive different to Oz from a cultural perspective. Going to Japan is still 10hrs direct.
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Pretty much this. My Brother has lived there since 1991. You live there and there is really nothing else. Forget about holidays abroad unless you are really rich. In some ways I love it because the culture hasn't really changed in 30+ years unlike this place because of how hard it is to get there. Yet again living in Europe is the best as you have easy access to just so much. In the end I'd much rather have that then sunny weather.
 
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D.P. said:
eh? Canada and the UK also have labour shortages, and all these countries are at the furthest corners of the globe and have extremely different economies and relatively little in common. This is just the typical Brexit fantasy of an ex-british empire. We should first start with building a proper relationship with the world's largest trading partner of which our economies are intrinsically tied, not least geographically and culturally neighbors.
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Eh?

Little in common?
Same language
Similar legal system
Same soverign
Similar system of governance
Similar culture
Similar level of economic development.

We have very little in common with france culturally.
 
adam cool dude said:
Pretty much this. My Brother has lived there since 1991. You live there and there is really nothing else. Forget about holidays abroad unless you are really rich. In some ways I love it because the culture hasn't really changed in 30+ years unlike this place because of how hard it is to get there. Yet again living in Europe is the best as you have easy access to just so much. In the end I'd much rather have that then sunny weather.
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My best friend, who went over at around the same time loves it. He said once when he was over that if he'd stayed here he would probably be living in a 3 bed semi if he was lucky, whereas there he lives in a 5 bed detached bungalow with a swimming pool next to a golf course. He went over as a welder...
 
Rai200 said:
The average house price in Aus is about the same as here in Brighton, I'd much rather move to Aus than say, Hull.



About £36k median vs. £31k. Their min wage is quite high though at over £12.
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I think the issue though is that (well paid) jobs in Australia will likely be concentrated around the major urban areas where house prices were ludicrous last time I looked. A million dollars was the absolute bare minimum you needed for an acceptable family residence that wasn't out in the sticks from what I could see. Just checked and the prices aren't as far beyond London as I'd expected, but median for Sydney is still over $1m and Melbourne a bit below. Realistically I'd assume you want $1.5m+ to feel like you're living somewhere decent, although obviously if you aren't tied to the CBDs then I imagine it's a different story, get the Aussie lifestyle in some far flung suburb or whatever for UK prices.
 
adam cool dude said:
Pretty much this. My Brother has lived there since 1991. You live there and there is really nothing else. Forget about holidays abroad unless you are really rich. In some ways I love it because the culture hasn't really changed in 30+ years unlike this place because of how hard it is to get there. Yet again living in Europe is the best as you have easy access to just so much. In the end I'd much rather have that then sunny weather.
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I work with a Kiwi who has probably visited more places in Europe since arriving in London last year than I have in my lifetime, he really values the fact you can just say right, this weekend I'm going abroad, just book whatever cheap flights are going as it's cheaper than getting a train to somewhere in the UK anyway.
 
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HangTime said:
I think the issue though is that (well paid) jobs in Australia will likely be concentrated around the major urban areas where house prices were ludicrous last time I looked. A million dollars was the absolute bare minimum you needed for an acceptable family residence that wasn't out in the sticks from what I could see. Just checked and the prices aren't as far beyond London as I'd expected, but median for Sydney is still over $1m and Melbourne a bit below. Realistically I'd assume you want $1.5m+ to feel like you're living somewhere decent, although obviously if you aren't tied to the CBDs then I imagine it's a different story, get the Aussie lifestyle in some far flung suburb or whatever for UK prices.
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You're not wrong, but the median property here is now £500,000 ($900,00 AUD), that's property, not house. So flats, studios etc. included. Considering the median wage is about 15-20% higher, it's basically the same.
 
HangTime said:
I work with a Kiwi who has probably visited more places in Europe since arriving in London last year than I have in my lifetime, he really values the fact you can just say right, this weekend I'm going abroad, just book whatever cheap flights are going as it's cheaper than getting a train to somewhere in the UK anyway.
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One of the things I’ve always enjoyed about the UK is being able to travel so easily to places. I’ve hopped on a ferry to France just because I felt like it and wanted to spend a day there. Or jumped on a short flight to Iceland or somewhere else. The choice and accessibility is immense.
 
delta0 said:
One of the things I’ve always enjoyed about the UK is being able to travel so easily to places. I’ve hopped on a ferry to France just because I felt like it and wanted to spend a day there. Or jumped on a short flight to Iceland or somewhere else. The choice and accessibility is immense.
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That's fine if you live in or by London. More in the Midlands or further up north. You might aswell be in the middle of nowhere for getting abroad quick and easy.

Where I live in Switzerland. I can get to Germany, France, Italy, Austria or Liechtenstein easily by car or train in a few hours. I never had that when I lived in Birmingham.
 
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malachi said:
That's fine if you live in or by London. More in the Midlands or further up north. You might aswell be in the middle of nowhere for getting abroad quick and easy.

Where I live in Switzerland. I can get to Germany, France, Italy, Austria or Liechtenstein easily by car or train in a few hours. I never had that when I lived in Birmingham.
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I live 3hrs away from Heathrow and still been to half of Europe. Even i can wake up in the morning and make it to anywhere in Europe for lunch.
 
Raymond Lin said:
I live 3hrs away from Heathrow and still been to half of Europe. Even i can wake up in the morning and make it to anywhere in Europe for lunch.
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Yeah because Heathrow is a main hub and have regular flights throughout the world. Way more than any other UK based airport.
 
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malachi said:
That's fine if you live in or by London. More in the Midlands or further up north. You might aswell be in the middle of nowhere for getting abroad quick and easy.

Where I live in Switzerland. I can get to Germany, France, Italy, Austria or Liechtenstein easily by car or train in a few hours. I never had that when I lived in Birmingham.
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Birmingham does have an airport or a reasonably quick train down to London if you didn’t want to drive. Of course being on the mainland in Europe you can always hop in a car and drive across the border to a local country. Do you not find Switzerland a bit bland and boring?
 
Most of the Midlands is 3hrs or less from Heathrow. Yes if you live in far North it's more problematic but then again when you are talking european travel the regional airports open up a lot of possibilities anyway.

Obviously, mainland Europe would be even easier, but the poster who made the comment has his location as London/S Korea, so compared to South Korea, I imagine UK does made it easier to travel.
 
delta0 said:
Birmingham does have an airport or a reasonably quick train down to London if you didn’t want to drive. Of course being on the mainland in Europe you can always hop in a car and drive across the border to a local country. Do you not find Switzerland a bit bland and boring?
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Getting the train from Birmingham to London if you want to fly out. Expensive and pain in the ass unless you plan way in advance. Since covid, many flights from Birmingham International have been stopped or reduced.

Living in Zurich way more exciting than living in Birmingham or the Black Country where I grow up :)
 
HangTime said:
Most of the Midlands is 3hrs or less from Heathrow. Yes if you live in far North it's more problematic but then again when you are talking european travel the regional airports open up a lot of possibilities anyway.

Obviously, mainland Europe would be even easier, but the poster who made the comment has his location as London/S Korea, so compared to South Korea, I imagine UK does made it easier to travel.
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South Korea is perfect for Asia. Japan next door and south east Asia is like a flight to Greece. You kind of miss the bit in between like being able to just drive across to France.

malachi said:
Getting the train from Birmingham to London if you want to fly out. Expensive and pain in the ass unless you plan way in advance. Since covid, many flights from Birmingham International have been stopped or reduced.

Living in Zurich way more exciting than living in Birmingham or the Black Country where I grow up :)
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I’ve always been curious. I’ve travelled a lot and whilst I enjoyed the scenery and nature of Switzerland it just didn’t seem as exciting at other places to live. I know a few people there and they seem to enjoy it, good for skiing obviously.
 
delta0 said:
South Korea is perfect for Asia. Japan next door and south east Asia is like a flight to Greece. You kind of miss the bit in between like being able to just drive across to France.


I’ve always been curious. I’ve travelled a lot and whilst I enjoyed the scenery and nature of Switzerland it just didn’t seem as exciting at other places to live. I know a few people there and they seem to enjoy it, good for skiing obviously.
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I moved here to make more money, everything else is just a bonus :)
 
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malachi said:
I moved here to make more money :)
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I wasn’t going to state the obvious but tax is another reason people chose to temporarily live there. For some industries it does pay more, balanced against the higher living expense of course.
 
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