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You can't settle a crminial case by paying someone off in the UK, thats an American thing. I assume people are implying that he underhandedly had his ex gf paid off somehow?
Gave her money, said he loved her, it was a horrible mistake, he’s ashamed and promised her the world and she sadly seems to have fallen for it. Wouldn’t be surprised if her old man was in her ear hole too. He seemed to care more about money than his daughter.
 
ah - so i didnt watch the videos, i assume those that did can say its fairly categoric that he did commit the assault/abuse?

Not getting political, but the CPS must just be another absolutely knackered public institution thats unable to even prosecute what looks like a slam-dunk-home-run case. embarassing.
 
In my opinion he should have his contract shredded and put out to pasture but wouldn't be surprised if he plays next season. I mean we have a team owned by people that cut up people in embassies and put them in briefcases.
 
Surely there is some clause in the contract regarding bringing the club into disrepute.

Ronaldo didn't break any laws either and his contract was terminated (not sure of payment to get rid of him) but surely it can apply to this too?
 
Gave her money, said he loved her, it was a horrible mistake, he’s ashamed and promised her the world and she sadly seems to have fallen for it. Wouldn’t be surprised if her old man was in her ear hole too. He seemed to care more about money than his daughter.

You have to feel for that girl when she has a father like that. I don't have kids but my brother has a daughter and I know if anyone laid a hand on her in violence no amount of money could pay him off.
 
And people wonder why women are scared to come forward after being sexually assaulted/raped. He might be innocent in regards to the law but I can't unsee or hear what came out. He is a scummy little ****, I hope ManU have nothing to do with him.
I understand your sentiment but I think you are taking a rather blinkered view. The key here is that legal proceedings have been dropped and this will not have been done lightly. I have a colleague whose son went through 31/2 years of a shadow cast against him by what was considered by a judge to be a malicious and spurious rape charge which the CPS persisted with until the first day in court when the judge threw it out. I agree we should not be placing any obstacles to victims be they male or female, coming forward after being assaulted or abused but not every case is clear cut. Without the shameful release of the recording (evidence) then we may have a different view on Greenwood's culpability in this matter. The key for me is how he handles himself from now on. I would suggest a degree of contrition and rehabilitation would be appropriate after all he is a very young man who may not have had the best upbringing and had to deal with fame. money and adulation at the age of 18/19. In that respect I have a degree of sympathy for him. The club are in an invidious position and it's probably best all round that they allow him to leave in the summer.

the club is absolutely in between a rock and a hard place, everyone heard the tapes and know the bloke is as guilty as sin, but because charges have been dropped they cant sack him
Thats not how the law works whether we agree or not. It's why we have a judicial system that is the template for most of the world and not the court of public opinion.
 
Yes, legally he’s innocent, but the harsh reality is, we all know what he has done. You can’t just ignore the recordings because of today. He will bring a toxic atmoshere if he plays and things are looking up for Utd. It would be a shame to bring the feel good feeling down just for this cretin.
 
You have to feel for that girl when she has a father like that.
Jeez! From Rob speculating something with zero evidence to support it (I'm not saying it hasn't happened but there's no proof that it has either), you have now formed a judgement on the victims father as if it was fact.

edit: and this is why we didn't allow people to comment on the case while it was still live.
 
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Yes, legally he’s innocent, but the harsh reality is, we all know what he has done. You can’t just ignore the recordings because of today. He will bring a toxic atmoshere if he plays and things are looking up for Utd. It would be a shame to bring the feel good feeling down just for this cretin.
That is what matters. Regardless of whether he has committed a crime or not, he has behaved in a way that brings the club into disrepute. He doesn't get a free pass because the charges are dropped.

As others have said, the best thing for all concerned would be him clearing off somewhere far away to rehabilitate himself.
 
That is what matters. Regardless of whether he has committed a crime or not, he has behaved in a way that brings the club into disrepute. He doesn't get a free pass because the charges are dropped.

As others have said, the best thing for all concerned would be him clearing off somewhere far away to rehabilitate himself.
Unfortunately you cannot prove that he has. To be clear, I do not believe he is innocent however all we heard//saw is an audio recording and an allegation along with pictures of injuries. You cannot say conclusively that it was Greenwood in that audio recording and the allegation has seemingly been dropped.
 
Unfortunately you cannot prove that he has. To be clear, I do not believe he is innocent however all we heard//saw is an audio recording and an allegation along with pictures of injuries. You cannot say conclusively that it was Greenwood in that audio recording and the allegation has seemingly been dropped.

Come off it baz. It's blatently him. Unfortunately the sad statistics of domestic abuse prosecution have come to fruition again (granted largely because victims will rarely press charges let alone face let alone stand in court)

Guy should never step on a professional football pitch again, but he will
 
Come off it baz. It's blatently him. Unfortunately the sad statistics of domestic abuse prosecution have come to fruition again (granted largely because victims will rarely press charges let alone face let alone stand in court)

Guy should never step on a professional football pitch again, but he will
I gave my opinion on what I believed however you cannot prove that it's him from just an audio recording without witness testimony from the victim, hence why the charges against him were dropped.
 
Jeez! From Rob speculating something with zero evidence to support it (I'm not saying it hasn't happened but there's no proof that it has either), you have now formed a judgement on the victims father as if it was fact.

edit: and this is why we didn't allow people to comment on the case while it was still live.
Why the uproar given the bile that is spouted in GD?
 
Why the uproar given the bile that is spouted in GD?
I don't venture into GD very often but it was discussed amongst the mod team that we weren't going to allow commentary on live legal cases in the UK, certainly not in the Football Stadium where regularly members ignored requests about what they should or shouldn't be saying on the forum.
 
I gave my opinion on what I believed however you cannot prove that it's him from just an audio recording without witness testimony from the victim, hence why the charges against him were dropped.

Well there's a difference to subsequently withdrawing said testimony.

Are we all meant to believe he's a good guy now and was all just a little misunderstanding?

Oh well he will deserve every little bit of abuse he gets directed his way when he steps on a pitch.
 
I don't know why people are saying this will put people off coming forward. Our legal system works on evidence. Witnesses. Proof. You can murder someone if you can do it without leaving evidence or witnesses. This isn't a case of everyone trying their best to put a scumbag behind bars and the system failing the poor girl.

This stupid idea that someone being on trial for rape etc is proof of anything is just as stupid as the idea that getting away with a crime proves you didn't do it. From what we know of this case, the woman involved was unwilling to testify against Greenwood. You can explain away a hell of a lot if the only other person involved is willing to back you up. My mate is a policeman and he says that its all too common for domestic violence couples to get the police involved only for both parties to quickly decide they don't want it to go any further. If both of them won't play ball there is little the police/CPS can do without external proof.

I know what I think about this whole affair but it doesn't matter ultimately. I imagine the club will put him out to pasture but who knows.
 
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Well there's a difference to subsequently withdrawing said testimony.

Are we all meant to believe he's a good guy now and was all just a little misunderstanding?

Oh well he will deserve every little bit of abuse he gets directed his way when he steps on a pitch.
I didn't say we are meant to believe that. I was replying to somebody discussing him bringing the club into disrepute (presumably in relation to terminating his contract) - it's very difficult to make that claim stick without a criminal conviction in this instance.
 
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