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Man city escape ban! Or did they? [Update 6/2/23]
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I agree as well
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Oh yeah its that Shiekh Mansour chap again ....
In October 2022, whilst Mansour’s tenure as deputy prime minister, he was accused of helping Roman Abramovich and other wealthy Russian oligarchs evade sanctions during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. He was described as being “central” to the flow of sanctioned Russian assets to the UAE
In October 2022, whilst Mansour’s tenure as deputy prime minister, he was accused of helping Roman Abramovich and other wealthy Russian oligarchs evade sanctions during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. He was described as being “central” to the flow of sanctioned Russian assets to the UAE
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Does that also mean that we get to be FA Cup winners, 2011?If they actually had a spine then they would be taking titles away and relegating them. This could mean that Ole would have a PL title.
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If they blinked first, I don't believe for a minute they would be the last. This could end up being the spark that starts that whole nonsense up again.
Yeah the standard is higher but the competition is no different. Spending most and more often is still the same as it's ever been. It's not like the English game has improved much as well. It's not really a competitive league in the sense that anyone on mid level spending is going to win the league or anything on a consistent basis. If they did they just get picked apart for players.
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Maybe the EPL won't want this fight. They might offer them terms like accepting the findings and losing 30 points this season when they won't win the title anyway.
That would set such a bad precedent if it were the only punishment.
Why would the EPL clubs agree to this though? That isnt a punishment.
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I have seen the walls of texts explaining the multiple breaches, but do we know the breakdown on a season by season basis on how much they breached FFP by?
Cheat to win lots of trophies and build a world class squad and eventually we will dock you some points that won't relegate you...in a season you probably wouldn't have won the league anyway. Quite the punishment.
I'm not sure I've seen a full breakdown just yet.
Apparently, one of the breaches is their grass being too long
Sarries did lose a lot of their best players when they went down to be fair....but the gulf between the prem and championship is such that they still walked the league...and are now back top of the premiership.
I don't know what else you do though. Dock points, fine, relegation.
The only thing that will *really* hurt clubs like that is transfer freezes running for several years.
You give them lengthy transfer bans, reduce the amount they can spend to stay within FFP. Make them operate far more openly because they clearly can't be trusted. I would be stunned if they relegated them because the legal battle would be horrendous. Basically you need to make an example of them. Make sure that no-one else considers this as an attractive option.
This is their conundrum. City have been wildly successful and have done so partly by breaking the rules. If you don't punish that properly then others will just see the minor fine/punishment as a price worth paying for success.
It will be fascinating to see the true extent of the claims over the coming months. How much of Citys success is built on their financial doping and how much of it was just knocking the edges off things. I know that minor infractions all add up but how much did it allow them to sign certain players etc.
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If found guilty today (as an example) 30 point deduction from now. Relegated to League 2 after this season ends. Transfer ban for 2 seasons, no buying players, selling players is fine and taking in loan players also. I would leave them in the CL this season as they wont win it to stay in it next season anyway.
No point fining them as they could find the money under the sofa in reception to pay it.
E: They cheated their way to success. Making an example out of them with severe punishment is the only way other teams who are or are thinking about doing the same will stop. I am a big Man Utd fan, if this happened to them I would be saying the same. I hate cheaters in any game. You get what you deserve.
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Transfer ban doesn't hurt city imo they have a mainly young squad with talent everywhere they could easily compete for a number of years with no transfers
Only thing that hurts them is relegation because then there will be a mass exodus of talent to go with it
Only thing that hurts them is relegation because then there will be a mass exodus of talent to go with it
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How else do you realistically do it on a consistent basis. They didn't have the luxury of United to spend whatever, whenever. It's not a fair system at all. Unless of course you just want United to win everything consistently for 20 years again. How is that a competitive league?
Same with Newcastle, they are fine right now while they are within FFP due to the lack of spending previously. But they will hit the wall soon as their player quality and wages go up. When they try to compete with players. They will have all the money in the world but unable to spend it. They cannot get close to generating the revenue of United.
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Man United earnt that right to spend that much through years of success. Man City spent it basically because they could. When the premier league was introduced everyone could have done what United did. Okay they didn't have SAF but it was United who made the right decisions that made them the power house they are today.
Newcastle have the right way of doing things. They are super rich yes but as long as they stay in their FFP they should be fine. the Sheiks came into the league and broke the British transfer fee in their first season. That would have been the same as Newcastle coming in and buying Benzema for 100+ million in their first season.
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Could be a good thing for England national squad in the near future. Silver lining 'n all that.
United don't have that luxury. We will fall under FFP if we spend too much in the summer without selling players. Arsenal are currently top of the league without breaking the bank. Liverpool have done the same in the past 5 or so years.
Thats ignoring the fact that the likes of City and Chelsea have massively inflated the transfer market through their crazy spending which in turn has meant that its more expensive to build a squad quickly.
You have to have rules on these things so that clubs don't make a complete mess of things. City could 100% have grown at a very fast rate without cheating. They had a choice and decided that they would do it. They haven't, by all accounts been going absolutely nuts, its been getting another 10% rather than another 50%. It might have taken them another 2 years to achieve their goals.
Its not some grand conspiracy to keep the status quo.