Junior Doctors Strikes

[Trifid]

Consultants want up to £262 an hour to cover strike days for junior doctors

NHS bosses criticise pay demand for consultants to provide emergency care during junior doctors' walkout.

www.bbc.co.uk

Nothing like a bit of profiteering whilst supporting your junior colleagues over their dispute for better pay & conditions.

Might focus the minds of those in charge to stop the strikes if there are financial consequences from inaction.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Rail bosses have already admitted that the strikes have cost them far more money than the pay rise the workers asked for. Same at Royal Mail….

It’s almost like ideology and brinkmanship has set in…

 

[Freakbro]

Can you point to the bit where getting paid market rate for doing unsocialable hours on top of your 50+ hours is profiteering?

Because a recommendation of what can be requested under normal circumstances doesn't need to be taken to its full under exceptional ones? Like I said, it's about supporting your colleagues in their fight for better pay, to then actually cost exceptionally more out of the NHS in that shift is rather ironic to me.

Might focus the minds of those in charge to stop the strikes if there are financial consequences from inaction.

True, thats a point, though im not sure if thats the intention.

Rail bosses have already admitted that the strikes have cost them far more money than the pay rise the workers asked for. Same at Royal Mail….

It’s almost like ideology and brinkmanship has set in…

Unfortunately it seems so.

 

[CapitalOne]

Wait what? I’ve not read every page but are some people saying the doctors (great respect to them) going on strike is the train drivers fault? Surely fair pay for all?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Wait what? I’ve not read every page but are some people saying the doctors (great respect to them) going on strike is the train drivers fault? Surely fair pay for all?

I don’t think anyone is saying that…

Pretty sure it’s something to do with 12 years of below inflation pay rises.

 

[AndrewNR]

Can you point to the bit where getting paid market rate for doing unsocialable hours on top of your 50+ hours is profiteering?

It's certainly taking the ****. No wonder there's no money in the pot if these rates are thrown about.

 

[CapitalOne]

It's certainly taking the ****. No wonder there's no money in the pot if these rates are thrown about.

I don’t know what you do or what you get paid but are you happy for “punters” to read your job title and tell you that you are way overpaid? Surely people getting paid well, paying more tax and using less benefits is a good thing? Sorry I just don’t get it.

I’m obviously going full champagne socialist here, but I can’t work out what’s wrong with that

 

[Vanquish-Storm]

It's certainly taking the ****. No wonder there's no money in the pot if these rates are thrown about.

What is this “pot” you speak of?

 

[Goodie]

I don’t think anyone is saying that…

Pretty sure it’s something to do with 12 years of below inflation pay rises.

Exactly, after the years of austerity there was a window of the govt to put this right, but instead they decided to continue to take the **** and now find themselves in the hole that they’re in following covid and the COL crisis.

 

[AndrewNR]

I don’t know what you do or what you get paid but are you happy for “punters” to read your job title and tell you that you are way overpaid? Surely people getting paid well, paying more tax and using less benefits is a good thing? Sorry I just don’t get it.

I’m obviously going full champagne socialist here, but I can’t work out what’s wrong with that

If it was funded by individuals willingly e.g. footballers, but when it's publicly funded these demands of triple pay are distasteful.

Paying more [less] tax on funds they earn paid for by tax in the first place?

 

[Werewolf]

It's certainly taking the ****. No wonder there's no money in the pot if these rates are thrown about.

Or the reason those rates are "throw about" is because years of under investment in training and retaining staff means that there are too few to do the job, and those that are there are in some cases no longer willing to do overtime purely for good will and time in leu (which may never actually come as they're always short staffed so don't have the staff to give you that time back), but want the money to make up for losing time with family etc?

I'm going to guess that rate is either agency, or something along the lines of double time with an overtime multiplier, something that is or was the norm in most industries. IE you are asked to work overtime you get say 1.5x normal, if you're asked to work additional nights you get say 2x normal, etc and they are cumulative, something that used to be intended at least partly as an incentive for management to not run massively short staffed or take the mickey with requiring overtime (as the cost was such that management recognised it was cheaper/better to actually have the staff to avoid it happening too often).

 

[AndrewNR]

Time to privatise it then, due to Government incompetence to manage the books, HR etc then? Worked well at Royal Mail.

 

[CapitalOne]

Time to privatise it then, due to Government incompetence to manage the books, HR etc then? Worked well at Royal Mail.

Disagree, agree, disagree

 

[AndrewNR]

I'd love to see the NHS budget with a full drill down on where this money goes.

Is it time to introduce some kind of fee for people that use it? In a coma? That's £3.99 a day for a bed. Plaster? 10p please.

Taking the mick here a bit but medication is paid for so why aren't other items/services charged?

 

[CapitalOne]

I'd love to see the NHS budget with a full drill down on where this money goes.

Is it time to introduce some kind of fee for people that use it? In a coma? That's £3.99 a day for a bed. Plaster? 10p please.

Taking the mick here a bit but medication is paid for so why aren't other items/services charged?

Well I’d guess that in this country the focus is on treating ill people rather than profit. There’s a bit of ideology in that but just look at the US. Those who “want” to pay already do and they take some pressure off of the NHS. Doctors should be paid well seeing as they actually can save your life.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I'd love to see the NHS budget with a full drill down on where this money goes.

Is it time to introduce some kind of fee for people that use it? In a coma? That's £3.99 a day for a bed. Plaster? 10p please.

Taking the mick here a bit but medication is paid for so why aren't other items/services charged?

No.

Why do you want to pay for something you allegedly already pay for.

Universal health care only makes sense if you socialise the costs. Go and spend some time in America if you don’t believe me, even if you have insurance it doesn’t cover loads of common and serious illnesses. Look up the price of insulin in the US, it’s actually criminal and insurance will not cover it in many cases.

If you get cancer, dementia, or any other debilitating disease, you and your family are financially ruined.

 

[Mrwong]

Or the reason those rates are "throw about" is because years of under investment in training and retaining staff means that there are too few to do the job, and those that are there are in some cases no longer willing to do overtime purely for good will and time in leu (which may never actually come as they're always short staffed so don't have the staff to give you that time back), but want the money to make up for losing time with family etc?

I'm going to guess that rate is either agency, or something along the lines of double time with an overtime multiplier, something that is or was the norm in most industries. IE you are asked to work overtime you get say 1.5x normal, if you're asked to work additional nights you get say 2x normal, etc and they are cumulative, something that used to be intended at least partly as an incentive for management to not run massively short staffed or take the mickey with requiring overtime (as the cost was such that management recognised it was cheaper/better to actually have the staff to avoid it happening too often).

Under which government did those rates disappear. Some people just can not admit it.

This is just demand and supply really,
The supply is low demand is high and shift in price.

It very funny I think, everyone wants the NHS to operate in every field and none are happy to pay for it,

You want to change your sex, well pay for it yourself. Oh no we demand that everything should be equal.

Lol just watch what happens in 20 years time when people retire and they do not own a home.

Oh, yes the solution is to sell more assets. That is always the solution to everything in this country asset stripping.

Well this is what equal means, don’t like it tuff luck.

 

[Mrwong]

No.

Why do you want to pay for something you allegedly already pay for.

Universal health care only makes sense if you socialise the costs. Go and spend some time in America if you don’t believe me, even if you have insurance it doesn’t cover loads of common and serious illnesses. Look up the price of insulin in the US, it’s actually criminal and insurance will not cover it in many cases.

If you get cancer, dementia, or any other debilitating disease, you and your family are financially ruined.

Introduce measures that if you’re not a British national you get turned away like some countries do. Or no help until you can show, and the gp hospital etc can confirm with the insurance company they will pay.

If not turn them away, if charities start to complain maybe ask them to pay for it.See how quickly they run away.

Get those Aunts at the NHS to actually work rather than having tea breaks every 30 mins. Another major problem those aunties getting their grossly incompetent family members into admin positions.

Certain groups of people oh, ‘no we can’t have that can we’..

 

[jon86]

Taking the mick here a bit but medication is paid for so why aren't other items/services charged?

£9.35 for a prescription is most certainly not paying for much of the cost of many prescription drugs, which can be tens, hundreds, or even thousands of pounds per pill container.

 

[fez]

Lol just watch what happens in 20 years time when people retire and they do not own a home.

Right, but what you are forgetting is that isn't the current governments problem. This is the crux of all the **** decision making from governments. The rich old ***** will have their money and be insulated from any crisis and everyone else will be left holding the bags. There is no future planning beyond "have we got a bit of money in the bank now".

There will be an entire generation that don't own property, are overweight and unhealthy and when they come to retire (into their 70s) it will break the system.

As to the doctors raising their rates, its scummy. Theres no two ways about it. Its profiteering and I am astounded anyone supports it.