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Not the most exciting of races tbh but it is what it is, roll on Melbourne in a fortnight
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Justice is done, FIA should never have applied the penalty so late in the race.
Probably need to clear up the rule though going forward
Probably need to clear up the rule though going forward
I love F1 but I'm going to bring up something I've said before. It's little to do with the drivers and almost everything to do with the cars. It doesn't really matter how good a driver you are. Sure, the occasional GP is won in slower cars under certain circumstances such as a car breaking down, a crash or bad team strategy. But if you don't have the fastest car you will never win a whole championship. In that respect, I think it's quite an unfair sport. Any one of those drivers today could drive a Redbull and win the championship. Who disagrees? Has any F1 WDC ever been won in any year by a driver without the fastest car?
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2021 2008, 2007 maybe it's a rare sight though since I've watched. And slower is basically 0.1-0.2 max percentage points we're talking about.
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But I always understood f1 to be about the constructors, ie the team.
Compare it to football, any good player can win with the top team, but unless they're on a top team it won't matter. And yes I know its not a perfect analogy.
It is the team that creates the car, puts all the money in etc.
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It's just the sport. The complaints only come in when there's too much dominance.
I hope they don't do more to try and water it down. I like that it comes down to the teams to make a good car.
I hope they don't do more to try and water it down. I like that it comes down to the teams to make a good car.
Aren’t most other teams saying there’s absolutely no way you can get 1-2secs per lap back through development. And RB ended up with what 6% less wind tunnel time at the end of it? That’s going to have little effect.
And what are they playing at with this Alonso penalty. Absolute nonsense. Surely the rule says “no mechanic or equipment can touch the car in any way”. Do they have primary school children write the rule book?
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Then their concepts are flawed.
Also means the teams agree that the minor RB overspend didn’t contribute to the dominance.
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I wish they'd show us the recovery. I have no idea why that was a full safety when it looked like the car was already off the track - maybe they brought one of the fire rigs onto track or something? It was on fire briefly.
GPS was still showing the car on track, and they said they didn’t have a camera ready there to confirm position either. Definitely didn’t need to be a full SC.
Street circuits often have a lot of interference, which can be seen in the onboards, so it’s a fair reason.
Yup, that's what I read too. Amateur hour
But at least it helped Max catch up even more easily
As someone on Reddit said nicely in answer to that:
“I believe that their flagrant disregard for the rules time and time again is the reason why they're successful yes.”
RB have a history of dubious practices the whole time they’ve been in F1. We may all know about the overspend, but there’s always a lot more going on that we don’t know. It’ll be interesting to see what the other teams manage to uncover as the season goes on.
Edit: It just occurred to me that AlphaTauri use the same engine. So RB have somehow got 17mph on everyone else down the straights through aero alone? Why isn’t the AT up there in straight line speed? Or is it? Madness…
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Because they are likely running more rear wing and draggier "visible" aero to make up for a deficit in a less developed floor than Red Bull
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Some good comparison pics here:
2023 car comparison thread - Page 14 - F1technical.net
www.f1technical.net
(From the Rear view, the Red Bull is a lot less "cluttered" than most other cars)
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Yes every team has been way above the board esp ferrari
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Well which is it? There's more going on that we don't know about but also there's been a history of dubious practices the whole time from RB?
What are these dubious practices you speak of? Off the top of my head I don't recall any car design / operating scandals from Red Bull.
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