Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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ANDREW GREEN said:
What makes you come to that conclusion out of interest?
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It was a few months ago, Putin started talking about tactical Nukes.

That was when president Xi stepped in and explicitly warned him not to use nukes.

Ukraine is on the Chinese border so the chance of fallout drifting is pretty high but Xi stepping in like that to me means he knew or thought Putin would use nukes.

I have no doubt he wouldn't think twice about it considering the shame this failed war has brought him.

It would have brought him a quick victory as lets be honest NATO would have huffed and puffed but in the end wouldn't risk a full nuclear escalation.
 
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Sankari said:
I think at some point Putin will declare he's 'liberated' all the land he needs to 'liberate', and fortify the stolen territory with a substantial military force. Ukraine will have no chance of getting it back.
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Thats the point we are at now. They know they are going nowhere else, its basically stale mate right now.

Ukraine are now trying to push them out of the "liberated areas" its been like this for months now.

Russia want to negotiate to keep what they have. This war would have ended if Ukraine agreed but it can never be agreed because in a few years Russia would be rearmed and ready again to go for more.

This is why there can never be a peace a deal with Russians on Ukrainian soil.

Right now with the wests help Ukraine will never get a better chance to push them out.

NATO are all in, they have no choice now they need to see it through to the end win or lose.
 
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The fallout from most modern day nuclear warheads, especially the size range considered tactical, is nothing like the big old dirty atom bombs of the peak of the Cold War especially if used in airburst configuration.

I think both the US and China have leant on Russia when it comes to nukes to make sure Putin knows there would be consequences - Putin almost certainly would try to use them for intimidation if not for the factor of it making him a target.
 
Sankari said:
I think at some point Putin will declare he's 'liberated' all the land he needs to 'liberate', and fortify the stolen territory with a substantial military force. Ukraine will have no chance of getting it back.
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While it may be for show, he hasn't shown much inclination to take any kind of off-ramp so far and I don't think his situation so desperate he would be forced to that end yet - maybe if Ukraine get a good counter-attack going he might try it to try and avoid large losses of territory.

I almost get the impression lately he is going for perpetual war out of spite to keep Ukraine a mess and the West busy.

EDIT: Putin is a lot about image and projecting the impression he is doing the will of the people - if he does go that direction it will probably be telegraphed by the Russian media, etc. first.
 
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Rroff said:
While it may be for show, he hasn't shown much inclination to take any kind of off-ramp so far and I don't think his situation so desperate he would be forced to that end yet - maybe if Ukraine get a good counter-attack going he might try it to try and avoid large losses of territory.

I almost get the impression lately he is going for perpetual war out of spite so keep Ukraine a mess and the West busy.
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Yes this is my assessment as well. He doesn't care that his citizens are dying far away in Ukraine, as it's personally costing him nothing.
 
Rroff said:
While it may be for show, he hasn't shown much inclination to take any kind of off-ramp so far and I don't think his situation so desperate he would be forced to that end yet - maybe if Ukraine get a good counter-attack going he might try it to try and avoid large losses of territory.

I almost get the impression lately he is going for perpetual war out of spite to keep Ukraine a mess and the West busy.

EDIT: Putin is a lot about image and projecting the impression he is doing the will of the people - if he does go that direction it will probably be telegraphed by the Russian media, etc. first.
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Truley beileve he is playing "the long game" now and awaiting for the US elections.

Pretty shallow comment here, but this is what I am seeing.
 
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I don’t think Russia can play the long game. This isn’t ww2 Stalinist ussr.
Heck, the ussr couldn’t keep a long game going in Afghan. Russia couldn’t keep a long game going in Chechnya, took 2 goes at it and in the end just payed off people with zero morals.
Neither of those conflicts had even close to the number of losses they are taking now, nevermind the economic impacts sanctions will be inflicting.
 
bris said:
It was a few months ago, Putin started talking about tactical Nukes.
That was when president Xi stepped in and explicitly warned him not to use nukes.

Ukraine is on the Chinese border so the chance of fallout drifting is pretty high but Xi stepping in like that to me means he knew or thought Putin would use nukes.

I have no doubt he wouldn't think twice about it considering the shame this failed war has brought him.

It would have brought him a quick victory as lets be honest NATO would have huffed and puffed but in the end wouldn't risk a full nuclear escalation.
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Remind me never to get into a car with you without a satnav :cry:
 
Hotwired said:
Funny thing is, more British generals were killed in action during WW1 than any other nation.

56/78 were killed by artillery or small arms, the rest were medical/accidents/drowning

Nevertheless the thought of backline generals is comedy material.
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That was before the invention of the wireless radio, inorder for generals to get a good idea of what was going on the battlefield they had to come up to the front lines and take a look with their own eyes which put them as risk of getting shelled and taken out by a sniper, fastword to 2022 and Russian generals don't have a reliable way of communicating with their own troops so end up having to come close of the frontlines to talk with the local commanders which puts them at risk of Ukrainian sharpe shooters. It's not just generals wither other senior ranks have been decimated as well, just the other day Ukraine took out Dmitry Lisitsky who was reasonable with killing hundreds of Ukrainian troops in 2014 (although that one seems more cloak and dagger then jus being near the frontlines).
 
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SpellowHouse said:
Saw five of these things trundling about on Salisbury plain some years back. Intimidating things. I certainly would not want to be in front of the pointy end.
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I was out and about some years back when I heard helicopter noise and turned to look in that direction. 3 Apache attack helicopters rose from the other side of a small hill. I had an urge to run/hide/burrow.
 
FBi7 said:
Ukraine is only about 2000 miles from China. But then again, Australia is now in the Eurovision Song Contest, so your claim might have some substance :D
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Yea got that one wrong, but your right Australia is in the Eurovision song contest so borders are now fluid.
 
mburn_83 said:
Good chance Putin bails to China if Ukraine can successfully counter attack.
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It is difficult to say what Putin would do if Ukraine pushed Russia out of Ukraine. He has shown himself to be a ruthless and unpredictable leader, and it is possible that he would lash out in anger and frustration. He could also try to escalate the conflict by using chemical or biological weapons, or by launching a nuclear attack. However, it is also possible that he would back down and accept defeat.

Ultimately, Putin's decision would depend on a number of factors, including the extent of the Ukrainian victory, the level of international pressure, and his own personal calculations.
 
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