Britain secures agreement to join Indo-Pacific trade bloc

adidan · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:26

thenewoc said:
We buy British produce whenever we can. Some supermarkets are better at offering it than others for sure. These things are driven by sales though so the more people buy the British options then the more the ranges will reflect that.

How can you tell though? Produce can have a Union flag on the label but be made using produce that's not from the UK.

thenewoc · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:26

200sols said:
So naive. We got ripped a new one by Australia and you think we'll be making demands to the USA

I wouldn't describe the deal to jointly produce subs for Australia being ripped a new one or access to export to them :cry:

thenewoc · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:26

adidan said:
How can you tell though? Produce can have a Union flag on the label but be made using produce that's not from the UK.

such as?

Richie · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:28

Sounds good.

Not only have we ended up without energy independence, we now want to make ourselves without food independence as well once the farmers give up due to not being able to make any living....

Richie · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:31

thenewoc said:
such as?

Pork?

Fraud enquiry as foreign pork labelled as British

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thenewoc · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:33

Richie said:
Pork?

Fraud enquiry as foreign pork labelled as British

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The relevance of that is, it isn't allowed and has been caught.

PapaLazaru · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:33

Richie said:
Sounds good.

Not only have we ended up without energy independence, we now want to make ourselves without food independence as well once the farmers give up due to not being able to make any living....

Yeah but we are not still being overrun with immigrants.......................oh hang on

Hotwired · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:37

adidan said:
How can you tell though? Produce can have a Union flag on the label but be made using produce that's not from the UK.

Produce refers to fruit/veg, sometimes dairy. It's not possible to deceptively label a potato.

A manufactured product gets into the grey area that many things are made with ingredients from around the world.

thenewoc · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:42

PapaLazaru said:
Yeah but we are not still being overrun with immigrants.......................oh hang on

It's an ongoing process because more than one piece of legislation is involved, such as that from the ECHR and UN.

bigmike20vt · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:44

SPG said:
All that shipping Carbon..... .

indeed..... coming up with a trade deal with countries across the world when we should be looking at our neighbours. utter madness. it isn't just the Tories and not even all Tories however. We (as a whole not as individuals) voted for this .

Chuk_Chuk · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:46

200sols said:
So naive. We got ripped a new one by Australia and you think we'll be making demands to the USA

Are you talking about the indo-pacific deal? As far as I am aware we have no details on this yet.

a1ex2001 · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:47

plasmahal said:
All good at the moment....

How long do you think it's going to take to undo 3 decades of EU membership?

Which bits of EU membership are these that are still holding us back, stopping us getting to those green uplands and delaying my rainbow unicorn delivery?

Chuk_Chuk · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:48

Mr Jack said:
What makes you think it will be labelled? The US has pushed to limit labelling in every trade deal it is part of. The CPTPP will be no different.

I'm curious do you have any examples of the bolded bit?

bigmike20vt · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:56

Chuk_Chuk said:
I'm curious do you have any examples of the bolded bit?

Why labels won't protect UK food standards from a US trade deal - Which?

Strong public opposition to lowering of safety or animal welfare

www.which.co.uk

I admit it was a 30 second google so not fact checked it but which is usually reliable. It rang true with me as it rang a bell from a year or so ago when a us trade deal was being talked about.

200sols · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:58

Chuk_Chuk said:
Are you talking about the indo-pacific deal? As far as I am aware we have no details on this yet.

No, it's the UK-Australia trade deal of the century.

Flagship post-Brexit Australia trade deal ‘not actually very good’, MPs hear

Former minister George Eustice tells Commons senior civil servant in charge of negotiations should be replaced

www.theguardian.com

The UK-Australia trade deal: ‘too much for far too little’

Prioritising the ‘benefits’ of Brexit over economic gain set a poor precedent for future agreements, say critics

www.ft.com

Chuk_Chuk · 30 Mar 2023 at 19:58

thenewoc said:
What you're suggesting is they'd force the UK to for instance bottle scotch whiskey as being from some anon source. That wouldn't happen because US consumers would want to be able to identify such goods and those selling them in the US would want that too as they attract a premium price compared to a US made product.

I think you are overestimating the demand for our products in the US market. They are huge country with products to match all price points. Unless there is some sort of USP to british products (country of origin doesn't count), they just won't care. This also needs to be paired with strong protectionist laws from the government.

A good example is wagyu beef. A product with a strong USP and the Japanese government has strong protectionist laws surronding it.

The other posters are correct, size does matter in these negotiations because it is something that can be leveraged to strengthen your position. It is not just countries, It happens with companies as well. So unless we have a strong leverage in these negotiations, we will be on the back foot.

Chuk_Chuk · 30 Mar 2023 at 20:03

200sols said:
No, it's the UK-Australia trade deal of the century.

Flagship post-Brexit Australia trade deal ‘not actually very good’, MPs hear

Former minister George Eustice tells Commons senior civil servant in charge of negotiations should be replaced

www.theguardian.com

The UK-Australia trade deal: ‘too much for far too little’

Prioritising the ‘benefits’ of Brexit over economic gain set a poor precedent for future agreements, say critics

www.ft.com

I can't access the FT link.

I'm Not particularly a fan of the vaguness in the article but I have a starting point to look into. Thanks

thenewoc · 30 Mar 2023 at 20:04

Chuk_Chuk said:
I think you are overestimating the demand for our products in the US market. They are huge country with products to match all price points. Unless there is some sort of USP to british products (country of origin doesn't count), they just won't care. This also needs to be paired with strong protectionist laws from the government.

A good example is wagyu beef. A product with a strong USP and the Japanese government has strong protectionist laws surronding it.

The other posters are correct, size does matter in these negotiations because it is something that can be leveraged to strengthen your position. It is not just countries, It happens with companies as well. So unless we have a strong leverage in these negotiations, we will be on the back foot.

My point was no one is forcing scotch whiskey to be sold in the US under some non-country of origin brand and I don't believe we'd be signing some trade deal with the US where the country of origin wasn't allowed to be displayed on our products for the consumer to make the choice. If any trade deal wasn't mutually beneficial then I don't believe our government would be able to sell it to the British public.

200sols · 30 Mar 2023 at 20:06

Chuk_Chuk said:
I can't access the FT link.

I'm Not particularly a fan of the vaguness in the article but I have a starting point to look into. Thanks

You can use a paywall bypass.

a1ex2001 · 30 Mar 2023 at 20:37

The small print of the UK government’s analysis shows the deal is only set to increase GDP by 0.1% over the next 15 years

Found this quite telling don’t spend that huge Brexit bonus too fast boys!

Source - https://taxscape.deloitte.com/article/cptpp-what-is-it-and-does-it-matter.aspx