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I'm still waiting for Alex Scott to pay her repatriations.
Laura Trevelyan
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Acknowledging we continue to benefit seems like a good reason to pay reparations to countries who continue to suffer from the imperialism of the past, surely?
What about those whose families have traceable lines of succession and passing of assets? Like the titled aristocracy.
I agree, anyone who is a descendent of the slave trade already benefits by living in the west, that's their reparations right there.
Damn. We got the Serious Thinkers in the thread.
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I've been giving money to pay the debt incurred stopping the international slave trade my whole life just like every other person in Briton. Certainly until only a few years ago there were still Napoleonic era Gilts still being repaid. At times during that period 2% 20% or something ridiculous of all Government spending was going on the West Africa Squadron.
We didn't invent the international slave trade, although we partook of it, but we pretty much ended it.
edit: 2% not 20% still a big number but I grossly misremembered it. It was half of all Naval spending in the years we weren't at war with Napoleon.
We didn't invent the international slave trade, although we partook of it, but we pretty much ended it.
edit: 2% not 20% still a big number but I grossly misremembered it. It was half of all Naval spending in the years we weren't at war with Napoleon.
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Bro, those gilts were to compensate the slave owners for the end of slavery, not the ******* slaves!
Nope not correct.... Only white people.
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What if we all self-identify as black?
I await the post from you telling us you've jacked everything in and sold everything you own (and given it to one of the numerous orgs that peddle in this nonsense) and decided to take your family to go live and work in a West African country. Until then you are just like every other liberal, full of ****.
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I can confirm that he is...why does that matter?
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Not true. Do black people not have mobile phones, or computers, or cars? If it wasn't for the embedded slavery, and other horrendous things that have happened in the name of progress, across the whole world, in all of time, then the world would not be the same as it is now.
Our collective history, good or bad, across every culture, is what makes the world what it is now and things in isolation can't be cherry picked out.
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Frankly she needs to put her money where her mouth is. If she had already donated her family's wealth to whichever country her family's slaves came from, then she might be in a better position to plead to the government to pay reparations. But as is always the case, expecting the taxpayer to foot the bill.
The whole reparations thing really needs to be stamped out. Yes we shouldn't forget the history, and certainly learn from it. But you cannot expect the current taxpayers (whom probably 95%+ of wouldn't have any links to slavery) to pay for this. If there is insistence on paying reparations then it should come from the very wealthy families in this country who have been traced back to owning slaves - that would also include the Royal family.
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Exactly.
I mean, look at this a slightly different way. What is the counterfactual position here? Are these people suggesting that if it wasn't for slavery, then countries like Jamaica for example would now be extremely prosperous on a par with the west? It would be incredibly unlikely that that would have been how it played out, due to the other geographic and cultural factors involved. So really there is nothing to reparate (not a word?) in the first place as there has been no quantifiable loss to the group involved. Could argue that its ultimately benefited those descendants of slaves who have done very well for themselves since.
Actually it seems there is. It might not be 100% accurate, but because of paperwork and bookkeeping you can make a fairly reasonable guess.
First you look at how much wealth was accumulated by the original slave owners, and then you track how much of that was handed down to descendants. Subtract any additional wealth that the descendants have added over generations. Convert that into today's money and you'll have a ballpark figure.
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So will I be getting a payment from the Italian government for all those relatives enslaved, and murdered, by the Romans?
The people of this country already paid slave owners money to free the slaves. It was in the form of a loan that was only just paid off in full in the last few years.
In 1833 the UK used 40% of its national budget. My ancestors, who had no part in slavery of black people, suffered because of it. Pay back our money before any reparations talk can happen.
The people asking for reparations seem to forget we have a class system in this country and most people lived in conditions only marginally improved from a slave. That's why we don't have the same racial conflict here as what they do in the US. We were all treated like crap by the upper classes.
In 1833 the UK used 40% of its national budget. My ancestors, who had no part in slavery of black people, suffered because of it. Pay back our money before any reparations talk can happen.
The people asking for reparations seem to forget we have a class system in this country and most people lived in conditions only marginally improved from a slave. That's why we don't have the same racial conflict here as what they do in the US. We were all treated like crap by the upper classes.