Really? That’s mad, I’d understand it if the womans life was on the line but always favouring the rights of the woman - what if the day before her due date she just decides she doesn’t want it anymore. That’d be ok in your eyes for her to terminate the child?! Can’t get my head around that mindset at all.
Woman sentenced to prison for abortion.
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Didn't we do this to death () in your last thread?
While this thread is asking for general opinions as well as brining up the case the case is relevant here - as you can see from the poll plenty of pro-choice ppl have limits... but do they agree with this punishment?
Likewise you could be pro-life but also anti jailing this woman.
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that has nowt to do with it...... and FWIW if a bloke killed a baby which was way past the point of legal abortion and was viable, then i would say exactly the same.
pro choice but make your mind up and get it sorted within the legal timeframe, failing that give birth and adopt.
if the child was likely viable then where the baby happens to be living at the time of death doesnt really matter imo (ie in womb or out)
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Yes, once they give birth the baby should have all the legal protection any other person would have, and I'd support a harsh prison sentence if there's no extenuating circumstances like mental health.
It's not that I'd be okay with it, I just dont like the idea of the law forcing someone to give birth.
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She had a choice. She had a choice to do this before 10 weeks at home or 24 months in a clinic, assuming that facility was available at the time.
Where does pro choice stop for you? the day before natural birth?
IMO What she did was inhumane.
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Damn, there's a lot of new stuff to learn in {current year}.
Back in my day, we were taught that it takes both sexes to make one. But ain't nobody going to argue with 2Pac, I'm sure.
Why though? I don't quite understand the basis for this POV - what fundamental difference do you feel there is if you kill a 34-week-old baby in the womb vs killing it outside?
If anything giving birth and then drowning may well be kinder than some of the ways of killing it while still in the womb, there is some controversy re: when a foetus can feel pain earlier on at like 15 weeks or 20 weeks or whatever but it's basically a baby at 34 weeks.
Fair one, I can see your point of view. I don’t agree with it but I can sort of understand it. Me personally, your way, it would feel like the law was allowing someone to kill another person, potentially just because they’d changed their mind. That to me is a whole lot worse than someone being forced to give birth.
I was refering to it in relation to as abortion as a whole, not this case as I said there's not enough facts.
Untwist those knickers.
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Perhaps I haven’t worded it properly.
What I’m saying is that the desire we’re seeing through Twitter etc, to impose greater restrictions on current abortion laws, would be a slippery slope (in the UK and elsewhere).
We just get to do the fun bit for 30 seconds. It's not our body that gets all the not so fun bits for the remaining 9 months
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Did the abortion pills cause the baby to die and then eject, or did it die because it prematurely ejected ? I guess you could argue the pills caused the death regardless whether by straight death or premature ejection
The punishment, seems abit harsh though, a suspended sentence would probably had been better for all involved (obviously not for the dead spawn but it probably never reached actual consciousness so it doesn't matter)
The punishment, seems abit harsh though, a suspended sentence would probably had been better for all involved (obviously not for the dead spawn but it probably never reached actual consciousness so it doesn't matter)
It's also generally not in a man's (potential father's) control if the women wants to terminate his baby against his wishes...
If a guy wants the baby and the woman doesnt - baby is aborted
If a guy doesn't want the baby but the women does - no abortion and father is then forced to pay child support.
Sure, the guy could take birth control precautions however they aren't 100% reliable.
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34 weeks is a month away from full term. It’s basically ready to drop. Crazy.
I think many politicians just do it for the publicity tbh. Especially the younger ones.
I think many politicians just do it for the publicity tbh. Especially the younger ones.
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Up to delivery? What about a day later? I mean that would be murdering a baby right? It's still the same baby inside her before delivery. Unless it's a medical emergency, I can't say I'd support that.
Pro choice here, but yeah this is just a clear case of breaking the law. She lied about the term of the pregnancy to get pills that are not intended for that term of pregnancy.
I do think there is a cutoff at which point it becomes morally ambiguous to have an abortion (depending on the reason!), and without more detail as to why she decided to do it, it just seems a bit off to suddenly decide to abort a late stage pregnancy. What isn't ambiguous is that it was illegal.
If we think that law should be changed, that's a different debate of course
I'm also very pro choice and child free. I don't even like babies. But at that stage it's too far. It is killing a baby. And there is a clear law in place for this too.
Its not like in the UK you have to look after the child. She could have simply given it up for adoption.
Not really any sympathy for her here.
Its not like in the UK you have to look after the child. She could have simply given it up for adoption.
Not really any sympathy for her here.
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She had 24 weeks exercise her right to an abortion. Ample time.
The cut off is based on the needs of the baby not the mother.
You know if you are 34 week pregnant.
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I'm pro-choice up until a point too, and I was a 6-week premie myself.
Was there any more context to this? Did she get pregnant before COVID came in hard and fast and made the world a scary and depressing place? Already having 4 kids could have added to the stress.
She says she didn't know how far along she was, and that isn't unfeasible, there have been loads of instances of people giving birth never knowing that they were even pregnant. She also was already in her 40s, which if she really didn't know how far along she was, and was aware of the risks of post-40 pregnancies, maybe that also fed in to the decision?
Was there any more context to this? Did she get pregnant before COVID came in hard and fast and made the world a scary and depressing place? Already having 4 kids could have added to the stress.
She says she didn't know how far along she was, and that isn't unfeasible, there have been loads of instances of people giving birth never knowing that they were even pregnant. She also was already in her 40s, which if she really didn't know how far along she was, and was aware of the risks of post-40 pregnancies, maybe that also fed in to the decision?
30 seconds? Just showing off now tbh.
