Just what is NVIDIA up to?

[ICDP]

It's like you are wilfully deflecting actual facts now and ignoring very pertinent points just to suit your failed narrative.

Here let me help by highlighting the important point in my post and see if you can work out what it means your 8 month old info is out of date.

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[melmac]

They both priced higher, Nvidia priced higher so they could sell through their warehouses of older cards for more money, I think Jensen called it layering when openly telling shareholders this was the plan. AMD followed along and did the same despite having a real opportunity to snatch market share and put Nvidia in a really difficult position with huge supplies of unsellable 3000 series cards. AMD is now having to cut pricing as no one was buying their cards for their MSRPs while Nvidia can just stick for now and make do with the low sales as they can funnel the same silicon into AI products and sell for far more.

AMD are not cutting prices to do you a favour and would be more than happy taking 900 quid off you for cards like the 7900XT but because they are not as heavily invested in AI as Nvidia they need some gaming sales so the price cuts are to get stock moving, again this isn't a move to undercut Nvidia as Nvidia right now couldn't care less about gaming. AMD are simply lowering prices to try and maintain an acceptable level of sales which is why I fully expect cards like the 7900XT to be down to around £600 by the end of the year.

Great post and should really be the end of this thread. Your post spells it all out very clearly. There is no bias, no brand loyalty, just facts.

What are Nvidia up to? Simples, they are putting all their resources into AI and making billions from it. /endthread.

 

[Aegis]

It's like you are willfully deflecting actual facts now and ignoring vert pertient points jus tot suit your failed narative.

Here let me help by highlighting the important point in my post and see if you can work out wht it means your 8 month old info is out of date.

The most recent reviews

HUB reckons the 7900XT is 15.5% faster than the 6950XT @4k using the latest drivers:

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[humbug]

HUB reckons the 7900XT is 15.5% faster than the 6950XT @4k using the latest drivers:

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The fact that this was an $1100 GPU should not be ignored tho, its more comparable to the 7900XTX, tho there will probably be a 7950XTX at some point.

 

[ICDP]

Which is still faster than 5% Joxeon is using. And computerbase and TPU think about 23%. So it’s almost like my “game dependent” caveat applies.

 

[humbug]

Its the wrong card to compare it to anyway, its a replacement for the 6800XT.

 

[uscool]

It's like you are wilfully deflecting actual facts now and ignoring very pertinent points just to suit your failed narrative.

Here let me help by highlighting the important point in my post and see if you can work out what it means your 8 month old info is out of date.

The most recent reviews

Tbh only Forza 5 really made the average jump after the game was broken with rdna3 they just fixed it wouldn't call that fine wine the other game improved is tlou you can add fine wine to that , everything else is basically the same

It's the price that's the main factor since launch price

 

[ICDP]

Its the wrong card to compare it to anyway, its a replacement for the 6800XT.

Agreed, which was always my bugbear with the original pricing of the 7900 XT. Current pricing with the Starfield code and adjusted for exchange rate and inflation puts the 7900 XT at the price it should have been. Expecting AMD to release the 6800 XT replacement at £600 is just delusional considering it would be the equivalent of dropping the price considerably.

 

[Aegis]

Tbh only Forza 5 really made the average jump after the game was broken with rdna3 they just fixed it wouldn't call that fine wine the other game improved is tlou you can add fine wine to that , everything else is basically the same

It's the price that's the main factor since launch price

Performance difference between the 7000-series launch drivers and the current drivers = +2.5%/2 fps average @ 4k (from the HUB video posted above).

 

[Joxeon]

Maybe HW unboxed should try the new driver with the 6950XT as that cards results are identical down to the 1% lows in multiple games to the ones taken over 2 months ago in the 7600 review which would imply the new driver wasn't used.

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[Aegis]

Maybe HW unboxed should try the new driver with the 6950XT as that cards results are identical down to the 1% lows in multiple games to the ones taken over 2 months ago in the 7600 review which would imply the new driver wasn't used.

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Yeah, I doubt they re-tested it - that wasn't really the focus of the video though - it was to see if 7900XT performance had improved notably and where it fit on their price/performance chart based on its current average price of $750.

Incidentally, Steve maintains that the 7900XT should have launched at $700 and whilst the pricing is better now, it's still too expensive for what it is. He does recommend it over a 4070 Ti at $800.

 

[Joxeon]

Yeah, I doubt they re-tested it - that wasn't really the focus of the video though - it was to see if 7900XT performance had improved notably and where it fit on their price/performance chart based on its current average price of $750.

Incidentally, Steve maintains that the 7900XT should have launched at $700 and whilst the pricing is better now, it's still too expensive for what it is. He does recommend it over a 4070 Ti at $800.

Its a bit disingenuous as it doesn't look like the 4070ti was retested either so we don't get to see if Nvidia has made any gains. I do however agree with him that it shouldn't have launched anywhere near $900 and that even though its still overpriced its better than a 4070ti.

 

[ICDP]

Yeah, I doubt they re-tested it - that wasn't really the focus of the video though - it was to see if 7900XT performance had improved notably and where it fit on their price/performance chart based on its current average price of $750.

Incidentally, Steve maintains that the 7900XT should have launched at $700 and whilst the pricing is better now, it's still too expensive for what it is. He does recommend it over a 4070 Ti at $800.

At current exhange rates that works out to £660 inc VAT according to HUB's valuation. So at the recent £699 or even at current UK price of £725 when we factor in the Starfield deluxe code, the 7900 XT is at or below that $700 USD price. And that is for a quieter and cooler AIB version of the 7900 XT.

 

[Joxeon]

At current exhange rated that works out to £660 inc VAT according to HUB's valuation. So at the recent £699 or even at current UK price of £725 when we factor in the Starfield deluxe code, it is at or below that $700 USD price.

Lets hope then it gets down to £600 soon then as that's the sweet spot for this card in my view.

 

[GhostDog1981]

Its a bit disingenuous as it doesn't look like the 4070ti was retested either so we don't get to see if Nvidia has made any gains. I do however agree with him that it shouldn't have launched anywhere near $900 and that even though its still overpriced its better than a 4070ti.

I think you are going to have to accept the price that AMD and Nvidia want is always going to be overpriced to your internal barometer. Probably give it a rest with saying everything is overpriced?

 

[Aegis]

At current exhange rates that works out to £660 inc VAT according to HUB's valuation. So at the recent £699 or even at current UK price of £725 when we factor in the Starfield deluxe code, it is at or below that $700 USD price.

Average US sales tax is 6.6% so $746.20 = £587.18

At the current rate, if you convert $700 to GBP and add VAT @ 20% you get £661.28

US customers get the Starfield code too.

 

[ICDP]

Its a bit disingenuous as it doesn't look like the 4070ti was retested either so we don't get to see if Nvidia has made any gains. I do however agree with him that it shouldn't have launched anywhere near $900 and that even though its still overpriced its better than a 4070ti.

I know I have used these sites for comparisons myself but it alsways highlights a number of isses.

1. Using old data
2. Older drivers now irrelevant
3. Varied and sometimes broken or biased game benchmarks

Lets hope then it gets down to £600 soon then as that's the sweet spot for this card in my view.

So you want AMDs 6800 XT replacement to be cheaper in real terms than the card it replaced? I know you still think this is really the 6800 replacement but the performance uplift and the specs would show it really was meant to be the 6800 XT replacement. You are entitled to that opinion of course but all things considered the 7900 XT at current prices with inflation and the weaker pound is at a very good price. It's one thing to argue it is too expensive on release (it was) but it's another thing to ask that they sell it much cheaper than the GPU it replaced.

Average US sales tax is 6.6% so $746.20 = £587.18

At the current rate, if you convert $700 to GBP and add VAT @ 20% you get £661.28

US customers get the Starfield code too.

Irrelevant, we are not in the US and only use US MSRP for a baseline. The 6800 XT cost $600 when the pound was ~10% stronger and we were not suffering from 10%+ inflation. If we adjust for inflation that £661 now would make the 7900 XT £547 in 2020. That would make it £53 cheaper than the 6800 XT for comparison.

 

[Aegis]

Irrelevant, we are not in the US and only use US MSRP for a baseline.

Then why did you reference it?

Based on HUB's comments, the 7900XT needs to drop to $700 to be 'good value' - in the UK, including VAT, that equals £661.28

 

[ICDP]

Then why did you reference it?

Based on HUB's comments, the 7900XT needs to drop to $700 to be 'good value' - in the UK, including VAT, that equals £661.28

That's just an opinion, it ignores the facts I outlined earler re 6800 XT release price and the current 7900 XT prices after inflation and the weaker pound is factored in.

Edit: I am all for cheaper prices but even I have to accept the pound is weaker than it was 2.5 years ago and that inflation in this country has gone nuts. So me wishing for AMD or Nvidia to keep prices at UK 2020 levels is a bit (pun intended) "rich".

AMD are now at roughly previous gen prices with a decent performance uplift. Nvidia unfortunately are not.

 

[Aegis]

That's just an opinion, it ignores the facts I outlined earler re 6800 XT release price and the current 7900 XT prices after inflation and the weaker pound is factored in.

Well, value is subjective and we all place value in different things.

For example, I'm kinda on the fence with HUB's opinion on the 4070 Ti - at $750 for the 7900XT and $800 for the Nvidia card I'm inclined to say that DLSS (2) and better RT performance is worth the fifty bucks difference - however, that 12GB of VRAM *suuuucks*. If it had 16GB then it'd be much more competitive even if it's a little slower in raster than the 7900XT.

Personally, I wouldn't buy either of them at those prices.