Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Roar87 said:
Confirmed by the G20 not really speaking too much about Ukraine. I'm always wrong though.

www.bbc.co.uk

Ukraine offensive could have only 30 days left - US Army chief

Gen Mark Milley tells Laura Kuenssberg the autumn weather will make Ukraine's manoeuvres much harder.
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Ukraine has paid a heavy price for such limited gains this year, will anyone bother to negotiate or will we see another 50-100k dead young men next year?
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Valdolf has once again refused to withdraw troops from Ukrainian territory. Looks like 4-600 Russians per day will continue die for Putlers lost cause, as 50-90 Ukrainians pay the ultimate price to keep Ukraine free.
 
FoxEye said:
In what way could they have done that without effectively declaring war?

The situation in NATO countries is vastly different to the situation in Ukraine. Good luck cultivating a "rebel uprising" to arm in Poland, etc.

And more direct action would lead inevitably to Russia getting their ass handed to them on a plate.

What I don't understand is people thinking the situation with Ukraine is in any comparable to the cost of aggression against NATO.

e: If they were remotely similar, then Ukraine wouldn't be desperate to join NATO, eh? Ukraine inside NATO is something that Russia is actively losing sleep over.
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Don't assume Russia wouldn't do something because it doesn't seem logical.

That said I don't think it very likely they'd go directly up against a NATO state but if NATO consistently appeared weak in the face of Russian aggression there will be a point they test NATO resolve. There is also the question as to how NATO would respond in the longer run if tensions built up with China distracting the US - Russia might bank on a weak response from those NATO members not directly affected if they moved against the periphery.

Also if they'd rolled over Ukraine they'd have significant man power there with limited option to resist who might be used sacrificially to test the waters.

If Russia did roll Ukraine, gaining their man power (or some of it) and factories, etc. IMO very likely they'd move against Moldova subsequently, probably build up forces on the borders of places like Hungary trying to flip them to become something like Belarus and in the longer run eye up the Baltics and maybe Poland.
 
FoxEye said:
What price do you think Ukrainians would pay living under Putin's reign of terror enlightened and benevolent democracy?

Mind you, I hear the gulags are lovely this time of year.
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I think most Russians aren't desperately unhappy, it's hardly North Korea or something. Just go watch some travel blogs on Youtube.
 
Stu999 said:
I'd love them to try. Maybe start with Poland guys? Should be easy.
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Does he even realise he cant even take the rest of Ukraine? He is now defending and being pushed back in the bits hes got,

I dont think he lives in reality, whether he is pushed out of Ukraine or not their advances on the rest of eastern Europe are for now at least put back by decades.
 
alchal said:
Wagner etc would have certainly come in to play
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Wagner specialised in fighting in Syria and Africa slaughtering people who couldn't defend themselves.

Bottom line they didn't do anything meaningful in Ukraine and lost very high numbers of men.

They were just another unit that made no difference to the outcome of this war. so no they were not coming into play in any meaningful way.
 
FoxEye said:
How? What could Wagner possibly have done against NATO countries that wouldn't be (a) utterly futile and (b) considered to have been ordered by Russia.
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Oh I don't know...see the polish border incidents, they could cause chaos.

Do we really think the west would react to Wagner after they retreat back to wherever after making mischief ? I don't.

Hell they used a nerve agent on UK soil and nothing happened.

The west still can't give Ukraine what it needs to end this war for fear of upsetting Russia too much.
 
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bris said:
Wagner specialised in fighting in Syria and Africa slaughtering people who couldn't defend themselves.

Bottom line they didn't do anything meaningful in Ukraine and lost very high numbers of men.

They were just another unit that made no difference to the outcome of this war. so no they were not coming into play in any meaningful way.
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I think they made a bit more a difference than a lot of the Russian units, at least at first, but that was mainly because Wagner troops (or the initial ones) were at least familiar with their weapons and equipped reasonably well, whilst many of the Russian units didn't seem to be.
 
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