Might as well charge a car up while you're stopped
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Wonder why the pricier car has even worse range?Same thing for the Tesla snobs.
185 miles only on their £40k model which somebody banded around earlier.
and only 155 miles on their even more pricey car.
It's almost like driving gigantic brick shaped cars is inefficient.
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I've learned from this thread to look at the EV Database where you don't have to pay £40K
Up until last Friday I had zero interest in EVs until the other mistitled thread about EV Road Tax
I had no idea that it was commonly known and all 4 people in my house now didn't know it was 'commonly known'.
If my eBike batteries say 30 miles and they do 15 I have a problem, if my phone says 24 hours and it does 12 I have a problem so I certainly didn't know if an EV says 200 and it does 100 was going to be an issue.
This thread has now given me something to think about with the excellent EV Database and ZapMap suggestions.
Assuming this isn't sarcastic, probably because it has pretty much the same drivetrain but is taller, wider and heavier.
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Ev's work for some, and dont for some. Im happy to jump into an EV now, but certainly wouldnt have touched one 3 years ago, it wasnt a secret that the range was poor. Only Tesla and maybe MG were viable option for relatively trouble free motoring.
If you can charge at home its a straighforward sacrifice for a EV, for 60-70% of the time its hassle free with no planning required, for the rest of the time, you need to plan, apps like ABRP are brilliant guidance.
As an aside, this argument is getting tiresome, seems to appear every week! if your not happy with your purchase, maybe its time to sell up, and do some research before your next purchase. And dont buy a PHEV either, unless its a company car, its a poor choice for a private buyer, theres so much info out there now, so no excuse to buy the 'wrong car'. When i got my 330e in 2020, it was clear that the EV models were not a good choice for anyone doing mileage in a serious way.
If you can charge at home its a straighforward sacrifice for a EV, for 60-70% of the time its hassle free with no planning required, for the rest of the time, you need to plan, apps like ABRP are brilliant guidance.
As an aside, this argument is getting tiresome, seems to appear every week! if your not happy with your purchase, maybe its time to sell up, and do some research before your next purchase. And dont buy a PHEV either, unless its a company car, its a poor choice for a private buyer, theres so much info out there now, so no excuse to buy the 'wrong car'. When i got my 330e in 2020, it was clear that the EV models were not a good choice for anyone doing mileage in a serious way.
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You need to go in with your eyes wide open. Sounds a lot like my old E-Tron, which I knew would be bad so I was never annoyed with it. The only reason I bought it was because it was dirt cheap through works car scheme.
I was paying literally peanuts for it.
Since I'd already had an EV, and the free charger, we decided our next car would be the Model Y which I've had almost a year. I think it's fantastic, but that's based on how we use it and the supercharger network (which we've only used once).
The main thing with EVs other than the god awful charging network (except Tesla which is great) is the insurance premiums and the heavy depreciation.
I'd actually put a deposit on another E-Tron (the GT variant), before switching over to the Tesla (thank god). Depreciation is crazy! great if you are buying second-hand and understanding what you are getting into.
Recent example was the GT RS Carbon Vorsprung. Brand new was £140,000........an Audi dealer a few months ago was selling theirs for £62,950
with 22k miles on the clock. Taycans are even worse! Even still, I was slightly tempted, and had I'd had my old one another year, I may have thought sod it and bought it from them......then probably been full of regrets.
Like laptops......once the newer model comes out the old ones are worthless.
I was paying literally peanuts for it.
Since I'd already had an EV, and the free charger, we decided our next car would be the Model Y which I've had almost a year. I think it's fantastic, but that's based on how we use it and the supercharger network (which we've only used once).
The main thing with EVs other than the god awful charging network (except Tesla which is great) is the insurance premiums and the heavy depreciation.
I'd actually put a deposit on another E-Tron (the GT variant), before switching over to the Tesla (thank god). Depreciation is crazy! great if you are buying second-hand and understanding what you are getting into.
Recent example was the GT RS Carbon Vorsprung. Brand new was £140,000........an Audi dealer a few months ago was selling theirs for £62,950
with 22k miles on the clock. Taycans are even worse! Even still, I was slightly tempted, and had I'd had my old one another year, I may have thought sod it and bought it from them......then probably been full of regrets.Like laptops......once the newer model comes out the old ones are worthless.
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You say that but our mokka did 120 miles at 3 degrees on the highway (as stated in my OP), when that very same website says 125 miles range at minus 10 degrees It certainly didn't do an extra 15% miles as you claim the cars should.
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I didn't give an insult, I didn't say you were stupid. I asked a question whether you were trying to be obtusive on purpose.
(presumably to get a reaction from me, which you did because I wanted to satisfy you)
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I think that's the newer one, the older Mokka-E is listed on there at 115, so whilst not 15% more, it's still a little more pessimistic than your experience.
the wltp value being at 23c is without any A/C or cabin heating ... so ev_database's -10c/70mph may similarly be without that, explaining why at 3c you are doing no better.
ev database doesn't say where the get their data (I question if it's credible) rather like ICE/petrol 'databases' who quote, as an example 50-70 overtake times,
those are just estimated based on heuristics, and maybe ev database is similar.
Up until last Friday I had zero interest in EVs until the other mistitled thread about EV Road Tax
I had no idea that it was commonly known and all 4 people in my house now didn't know it was 'commonly known'.
If my eBike batteries say 30 miles and they do 15 I have a problem, if my phone says 24 hours and it does 12 I have a problem so I certainly didn't know if an EV says 200 and it does 100 was going to be an issue.
This thread has now given me something to think about with the excellent EV Database and ZapMap suggestions.
I think the issue here is that people just don’t really think about the question being posed.
If you asked it like this:
Do you get the manufacturer claimed MPG as measured by the WLTP test in your ICE car?
The answer will be no which you would then follow with:
So on that basis do you expect an EV will achieve its range as measured by the same WLTP test?
I’d expect the answer will be also no.
Thats the newer model with slightly more range.
The thing that EV database doesn’t tell you how it performs in windy conditions.
Wind (head winds) is the primary enemy of EV range, not the cold. Drag squares with speed and driving directly into a 30mph head wind is similar to driving at 100mph in still air. It’s no different to ICE but it’s more pronounced in an EV with limited range.
For example, when I have the caravan on the back of my Model Y, the normal efficiency is up at 500-550wh/mile. When we were driving directly into the headwinds of storm Bibet, the efficiency was up at 700wh/mile. Now this is obviously exaggerated by dragging a huge square box on the back of the car but it demonstrates the point perfectly.
All these people saying about planning.
This is the huge problem with battery cars compared to real ones. With a real car, you can get in and go anywhere, knowing that if you’re getting low on fuel, you’ll always be able to fill up somewhere nearby.
It’s such a huge step backwards to have to plan your stops and then could turn up and find you have to wait ages to charge. I don’t know how anyone can think this is a good thing but I’m sure some people will try and twist it.
This is the huge problem with battery cars compared to real ones. With a real car, you can get in and go anywhere, knowing that if you’re getting low on fuel, you’ll always be able to fill up somewhere nearby.
It’s such a huge step backwards to have to plan your stops and then could turn up and find you have to wait ages to charge. I don’t know how anyone can think this is a good thing but I’m sure some people will try and twist it.
Going forward, what is the alternative? Other than keeping up the burning of oil, we aren't going to have the convenience of a fuel fill up anymore.
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Exactly my point, EV cars are not an improvement in any way or shape for the driver. Just too many negatives out weighing any positives. I'm glad Feek agrees with me.
It won't always be this way.
You can check charger available before you get there, doing this avoids the ''turning up and waiting ages to charge'.
i'm happy spending 10 minutes planning public charge stops a few times a year, if it means I save £2k+ in fuel per year, plus all the other EV benefits
Asking you the same as I asked Feek: what is the alternative, other than burning oil still?
Simply not true. See: Every fuel crisis that has happened. We almost got stranded in North Devon because of one of the fuel crises during the latter stages of COVID. Three hours I queued for petrol.
If I’d been in the Tesla I’d have charged overnight at the caravan park and been on my way. Yes I’d have had to stop once on the way home, but the car would have organised that anyway.
But it’s fine, you stick to your ICE if it makes you happy, but don’t for one minute assume that makes you right for everyone in all circumstances.
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@Maccy why did you start an argument with me claiming my OP has no basic of any point.
Yet Feek joins in and states that an opinion is in line with mine and you give it a thumbs up. Talk about bum-licking.
Yet Feek joins in and states that an opinion is in line with mine and you give it a thumbs up. Talk about bum-licking.
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No tailpipe emissions is a major benefit !
Pretty sure if the petrol/diesel tailpipe fumes were piped into the the owners cabin as they drove around, then people would soon be switching to EV's
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